Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa

[rob77dp]

Cal-

Any reason you want to vote out of nowhere (no posting, just watching??) once kae is GN claimed town by shock? Why not Annele?

[TheonlyrealBeef]

Calin, if the mafia team is who I think it is then you actually played the best out of all of them, you just ended up in the bottom half of the POE due to mechanical reasons.

But you are wrong, that's the main problem, not sure what the mechanical reasons are, but please put them forward so I can debunk them.
Also, if me flipping town makes you change your whole view, then please just lynch me next so you actually have a winning chance.

I guess if you keep calling everything mechanical, things start to blur.

Probably also relevant for rob, this post.

[Linkcat]

Also, note that Sub voted timpa to save Link near-ish EOD1, then supposed to vanish like less than 90 seconds from EOD (seriously WTF on that) but a yell from Link got Sub trying to change to Annele to save Link. I guess a scummon read there might be in order if Link is scum (to your question kae about who is #4 in your world of Link/TorB/Cal).

How do you read Link's scum-read of Cal then, if you see them w/w?

If Sub and I were mafia I'd be communicating with him in the pad, not making a post that he could easily miss. If Cal were my partner I would have had him switch to Annele earlier. If Torb were my partner he wouldn't have supported me openly that much at EoD since he couldn't vote.

[rob77dp]

Annele (3) -  Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (6) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp, shockcannon, Calindu

Hope you're actually truthful this time, shock.

Also, is this a real reaction Cal? Sounds almost a bit like deflated scum having to move off town without really knowing how to react as a town would. If you're really unsure if shock is truthsaying then I'd expect more aggressive push back like yo umean it, and if you're just trying to fake doubting it b/c it feels scummy to just blindly react as believing a town confirmation claim... well.

[rob77dp]

Annele (3) -  Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp

[Linkcat]

What I'm getting at by pushing around outside of kae is that it is obvious the game at-large probably OK with lynching kae. But what I see of him today is much more effort than I typically see a wolf put in to their posting and naming others on a day where it is VERY likely and completely plausible that they die. He is still focusing outside himself while most wolves get into "protect myself and talk about others/teammates as little as possible" mode. :-/ YMMV of course.

(Link is going to have to get on and start posting and playing a town game too if he wants to keep most posts in his court  )

[serprex]

rob's votes don't mean anything until the last 5 minutes before deadline

So eager to find the first person to go after to change his vote. So scummy

[rob77dp]

Then vote Cal with me.
 with intent to kill.

What I'm getting at by pushing around outside of kae is that it is obvious the game at-large probably OK with lynching kae. But what I see of him today is much more effort than I typically see a wolf put in to their posting and naming others on a day where it is VERY likely and completely plausible that they die. He is still focusing outside himself while most wolves get into "protect myself and talk about others/teammates as little as possible" mode. :-/ YMMV of course.

(Link is going to have to get on and start posting and playing a town game too if he wants to keep most posts in his court  )

[Calindu]

I'm taking shock at face value here... I don't think scum!shock goes this far along protecting kae a bit suspiciously and kae not being quite sure what's happening... if they both faked it then --- well, I just cannot fathom believing that.

The first vote on kae looks to have been serp lock-town... then TorB in deference to this being better than a Cal wagon... then shock being shock and who I now believe to be town.

I'm not even worried about shock being mafia with this claim, I am worried about him being so sure of kae being town that he's willing to fake claim GN.

Cal-

Any reason you want to vote out of nowhere (no posting, just watching??) once kae is GN claimed town by shock? Why not Annele?

I play the low effort style, you won't see me posting every thought of mine, just like in every mafia I played before.
I said multiple times that I have no damn idea why people scumread Annele, I don't believe that's the case. I scumread Linkcat before, like in my readlist.

[rob77dp]

serp - I'm trying to lynch scum. I've pushed Annele for days with not much luck. If Link is scum then I'm still drinking the Kool-Aid at this point. Next scummiest I see right now that has legit lynch-ability is Cal. See it how you want, but I'm not trying to sway people on how they see me, I'm trying to find and lynch scum.

[killsdazombies]

kdz-

What did you read or see from kae that took you from a very loose n+ on kae to today being confused, while knowing a surprising amount of what kae is doing - are you all caught up?

It just reads like quite a lot of talk about kae leading to your vote on him - who else do you currently suspect besides kae??

Spoiler for kdz quote #1, recent vote:

Alright, so Im a touch confused by the redoubling on kae.

So, kae is claiming a crusadery boi, but he claims to have not used his ability to try and get a vulture with it. Idk if that alone screams mafia or just a deeply flawed plan, but thats his case, is that correct?

kae is also claiming to be confirmed by shock, but i never quite understood how or why that happened, im sure its buried somewhere in the thread, but if anyone has a basic "this and this" I'd appreciate it

it also seems that that confirmation has shifted uhhh dramatically. Why is that? If its some backroom serp/moe stuff thats fine, but Im just curious how we got here. I knew kae was on the susblock, but this has been... interesting.

Haha, the reason im on the chopping block is because 3+ mafia are putting full effort into it. There is actually a chance im fully confirmed town already (who knows whatshocks doing). Even if not there is sth in my iso thats a deadgiveaway that im town, unfortunately it becomes wifom if im the one to point it out.The reason I was waiting for someone to claim vulture is we have an egg that is not a priority nk and we might have more vultures.also literally any other role is barely more than fluff unless you can catch someone in a lie.

However, this is enough for me rn. Open to change, as im not 100% sold on it, but its probably our most likely wolf atm, even if this is a bit of a bandwagon vote

Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies
Linkcat (1) - Annele

side note, ill be gone around EoD tomorrow, so if theres any revaluations, id really prefer if they weren't made during an EoD madness phase.

Spoiler for kdz quote #2, the last time he gave reads including kae:

Hi. This is me rising from my grave. Ill be on the level with you, I skimmed the truly massive quote walls because I CBA.

A lot this stuff is just general feelings. I know very little and my rust is showing a bit more than Id like. I usually spend most of my in person games just talking shit, but I find myself lost in the walls of text to analyze.

serp (vv)
moe (vv)
Confirmed, which is nice

Sub (n+)
Oh this is the sub I remember

kaemp (n+)
Got good feelings about the lad. No idea why, but everything sounds earnest.

Ge0 (n+)
Just doing they're own thing, but trying to respond when questioned. Feels normal.

shock (n+)
I really appreciate the sheer chaotic energy that radiates from every post. Please continue. Also, they're doing what I do IRL, just in text form. 12/10

DC (n)
More shitposting please

ian (n)
I dont disagree with anything they say. The comments on skimming the thread and the general low content to each post (just a sentence or two) gives me a "Town who CBA give 110%" but could very well be a mafia trying to slip under the radar

Cal (n)
Im not getting a read. No calls for action, just advising caution.

Annele (?)
Scumread rob hard. As rob pointed out, theyre initial hit felt odd, but the back down felt real. IDK, I have my reservations.

MW (?)
I dont know what it is, but something just feels off. I haven't quite put my finger one what it is exactly.

andretimpa (?)
Similarly, something just feels off, but I can't tell if thats just because /everyone/ is sus of timpa, or if theyre actually scum. Everything they do just screams neutral ground to me, which I know is ironic coming from an equally neutral list.


I just default don't listen to anything these three say because they could sell water to a fish.
rob ()
While I generally don't like the feeling of shooting players N0. I think it was correct but it makes me :////
torb ()
Feels a little aggro in spots, but if I recall thats pretty on brand.
Link ()
The banter is fun, please continue. It makes catching up fun.


I'm going to hold back on voting for now, but I do intend to cast a vote before the day is up. I just want some more time to think.

So, at game start, I view kae as a towny who was in the good graces of someone I was pretty sure was town (shock) and "confirmed" by them. I never knew quite how, but I was pretty afk and assumed I missed a little 3 sentence post somewhere. I didnt really have the time, nor the desire to read 45 pages at 100% thoroughness. I stated I was confused, because It means close to "I think I understand whats going on, but I'm not 1000% sure, and I want to make sure I have my details straight. Especially if kae flips town, understanding how we got here will be important". This shifted at EoD last day up until now. Kae shifted into a full blown implosion. That kinda panic always draws more attention, and even shock flipped onto kae. Every action during that implosion felt like a tinfoil hat moment, and my trust slipped. Further, a person who im pretty sure is town, who confirmed kae to be town, flipped on them. Basically, every support they had for being town slipped, and then they put on a tinfoil hat.

Who do I suspect outside of Kae, well again, I dont fully suspect kae. To repeat, about 75% Wolf, 25% town in my book. I think the chances of them being town is quite real, but I think the chances of them being wolf is much higher. This EoD discussion has sorta... messed with that number a little bit, and im a bit unsure. Shocks comment of "I could prove youre innocent but I wont because reasons" is annoying to say the least.

Frankly at this point im inclined to believe serp and torb and those are about the only 2 people who I reasonably trust. Serp because of the obvious, and torb has maintained a strong level of consistency throughout. Not a lot of flipping or opportunistic jabs. The kae situation has shaken my faith in shock as much as it has my faith in kae. Not to quite the same point, but to where I don't really think its wise to listen to shock.

But back to the main point, I think I have a sus feeling about Kae (obv). Anne and Timpa are slightly sus still to me, they haven't done a whole lot to change that, but nothing I feel particularly confident in, and I have an inherent distrust of link and rob.

Lmao, I was writing all this, then checked back to see the vote tally and saw that shock claimed GN n0 from fateegg. i'll be honest, I didn't expect it. I'll leave all my previous thoughts still around, since its part of my explanation to rob about my move to kae.

Removing my vote on kae for now, will examine how i feel about either of the other trains and post something before EoD

Annele (3) -  Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, MasterWalks, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, shockcannon, Calindu
Calindu (1) - rob77dp

[Linkcat]

Just got to the shock claim, I think Cal just outed himself, also lol.