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Who played the best mafia?

iancudorinmarian
2 (5.9%)
TheonlyrealBeef
3 (8.8%)
worldwideweb3
5 (14.7%)
Annele
0 (0%)
kaempfer13
1 (2.9%)
Calindu
0 (0%)
Linkcat
1 (2.9%)
moehrpi
0 (0%)
Submachine
13 (38.2%)
serprex
0 (0%)
MasterWalks
0 (0%)
andretimpa
1 (2.9%)
rob77dp
2 (5.9%)
shockcannon
1 (2.9%)
killsdazombies
4 (11.8%)
DoubleCapitals
0 (0%)
Coffeeditto
1 (2.9%)
Ge0metry v2.0
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 15

Voting closed: June 26, 2020, 09:57:32 pm

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297994#msg1297994
« Reply #1056 on: May 28, 2020, 03:25:41 pm »
(caret pointing at rob)

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297995#msg1297995
« Reply #1057 on: May 28, 2020, 03:37:21 pm »
We can resolve this if two of shock/annele/kaempf/masterwalks/submachine have targetting

Some will target torb. Torb will not burrow tonight. I'd rather he be tonight's NK than some later day's mislynch
I already have been targeted by Calindu last night.
In your grouping, I suspect 1 - 3 mafia. I don't like that at all.

I want good counter-theories on the mafia -quotes, arguments and everything- that does not involve me being mafia if you want me to take those suspects seriously. I know I'm not mafia. So far, I've been called so many insults by kaempfer13/shockcannon, that I have lost count. Is this supposed to make me townread them or some shit? Cause it isn't working. Of course I cannot be certain what alignment they have, I do not have access to that kind of information. But I'll be glad to lynch them as is.

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297996#msg1297996
« Reply #1058 on: May 28, 2020, 03:37:30 pm »
They’re not idiots serp. They’re voting on Annele because they’re mafia and they need a second person to split votes on with kaempf because if they all pile on kaempf and he flips town it’s way too suspicious.

But if half of them vote kaempf and the other half Annele and kaempf barely gets lynched, then they can blame mafia orchestration to convince everyone to keep voting Annele again the next day, while also being able to blame each other a bit to make sure they don’t give each other away.

And if Annele and kaempf are both town and they are our next two day lynches, then towns going to end up 7 players down with all 4 mafia still alive. They know if they can just pull off these next two lunches it’s game over. Especially since every town who is not Serprex, shock, kaempf, or Annele all place rob, torb, and Linkcat as high town reads. I can guarantee that at the VERY LEAST, there is one mafia within those 3.


Also the Annele being too hard to lynch is such bull crap I can’t believe that anyone who’s town could actually buy that. It’s a real telling sign when players who tend to use a lot of logic just throw it out the window when it comes to voting.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297997#msg1297997
« Reply #1059 on: May 28, 2020, 03:41:51 pm »
\tinfoil intensifying...
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shock- it is a thing... It isn't always right otherwise the game is too easy\not fun. I'm willing to rethink somethings given enough reason.

Annele as town does look to make some sense if Link is mafia.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297998#msg1297998
« Reply #1060 on: May 28, 2020, 03:42:34 pm »
torb, that's why I say "at least two". I want those who haven't been playing with you to check. If they frame you then they're outing themselves if we eventually lynch you

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297999#msg1297999
« Reply #1061 on: May 28, 2020, 03:46:19 pm »
Vote count check only, was last page and phone sucks for that...

Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298000#msg1298000
« Reply #1062 on: May 28, 2020, 03:51:38 pm »
Also, what's this "more info from voting Annele" theory? Linkcat wants Annele first because unconditionally he can go after kaempfer afterwards

If kaempfer is town, then scum wasn't too tied up voting on Linkcat. In which case Annele must be town too. So what kaempfer flips actually gives info on whether you might go after Annele. If, and only if, kaempfer is scum. The same does not hold for what Annele flips

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298001#msg1298001
« Reply #1063 on: May 28, 2020, 04:46:48 pm »
You guys are all insane. So long as shock vouches for me and lives or flips town egg I shouldnt even be on the table for the lynch, no matter how outrageous you find the things I say.

You dont lynch someone you can mechanically confirm as town. Linkcat knows that, it was a big topic in his championship game. I dont even know wtf kind of mech clears other than the daja vus hes talking about when he's still ready to lynch me. If you look at his last night, you also see much more blatant attempts at rolefishing than I ever had.

(As for why i was arguing with MW about roles is it was blatantly obv what kind of roles he might have and he was spreading misinformation about what his role told him, probably by mistake. Btw, I wasnt poisoned n1 because I'm still alive. Besides the things you said dont make any sense in that scenario. Reread the op 10 times and ask Oa about everything before you make more mistakes)

You see, the issue is that you're basing your reason for survival on a random unexplained, uncorroborated shock claim, and that means nothing to me. As for rolefishing, I only asked for things that I believed would be more helpful to town than mafia.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298002#msg1298002
« Reply #1064 on: May 28, 2020, 04:50:13 pm »
Hypothesis: Calindu, Torb are mafia green nymph and Anubis respectively. Cal actually targeted Torb n1, which allowed TorB to use his ability again tonight (on serp so it wouldnt be possible to save him in the future). TorB had no reason to fear the nightkill now, but regular targeting. There was 2 confirmed town, TorB is never going to be mechanically confirmable and this game isnt a solo experience where you have to live as long as possible anyway. So TorB pretended he would still going to be untargetable (which he actually was), discouraging town from attempting to target him, while Cal knew he could make TorBs cover as graboid more believable by claiming he targeted torb today, explaining his power to vote in the future even as burrowed graboid. However he forgot that he didnt have a particular good reason to target TorB.

I'm extremely reluctant to vote outside Link, Cal or Torb today.

Will strongly consider this if you flip town, it does explain why mafia Anubis was used on an off night.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298003#msg1298003
« Reply #1065 on: May 28, 2020, 04:54:24 pm »
We can resolve this if two of shock/annele/kaempf/masterwalks/submachine have targetting

Some will target torb. Torb will not burrow tonight. I'd rather he be tonight's NK than some later day's mislynch
Then who's today's lynch? You are settled in it being Link? I still think he's town. But I _know_ you're town. I still think Annele is mafia scum.

Link you've shaded Cal quite a bit without really trying to lynch him... Howcome? I know I've been the target if your scumread before when you're town and it is a serious pressure cooker experience. A few times this game you've mentioned going hard or a welcome return to playing mafia but you look different in some regards than the town!Link I've seen before...

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298004#msg1298004
« Reply #1066 on: May 28, 2020, 04:56:14 pm »
I did not have the time to in-depth analyze the posts between the last post in my Wall Part 2 and today, so I will mostly rely on my memory for this.

1. iancudorinmarian: I used to have him at n- because of subtle, scummy things, but during EOD1, he came online and people told him to quickly place his vote, and he voted on serprex (one of the Deja Vu claims). This kind of joke/confusion would be bad for Mafia; they would not risk the negative attention this brings, or he would know better from his teammates. Now at n+.
2. TheonlyrealBeef: He is consistent with his mindset (he held true to his argument against N0 Otyugh throughout) and he also solves fairly often. He is one of the few people who read and react my walls, which is a plus. He leans v.
4. Annele: She made a few early comments that some people liked, but other than being logical, I found her arguments neutral. It looked like her wagon was the most vulnerable to an unorchestrated lynch, which implies she had no teammates to save her. Not enough to go on, so pure n.
5. kaempfer13: He seemed confused on multiple occasions; questioning what MW knows about him, rob's sudden vote switch during EOD1, and he also tried to solve. Looks like the usual townie confusion. He also suggested that shock might have him as confirmed town, but shock has yet to confirm it. He collected quite a number of bad attention to himself, but unless shock denies his credibility about the Fate GN thing, I give him the benefit of the doubt and put him in n+.
6. Calindu: Similar to Annele, except the almost dying part. Again, he had early comments that other people liked but I found neutral. Not enough to go on, and others also seem to only suspect him because of POE, so n.
7. Linkcat: He is the most active, attracts the most attention, and leads everyone to do what he thinks they should do. This is the opposite of what a mafia should do, but he is U N R E A D A B L E, so straight to n. He speaks confidently about knowing things, which is the opposite of the townie confusion that would be logical. Maybe he knows that not enough people would question him if he tried to pull this off as mafia. However, he is still a valuable asset in case he is Town, so keeping him alive longer is worth it.
10. serprex: If he was not Deja Vu, I would think he is n-, but he is Deja Vu.
11. MasterWalks: I would have said n- at first, because of some questions I had about him, but I get it now. The way he makes his plays, he's like a mirror of myself from my early days. Without revealing why, I think he leans v. I am very much looking forward to why he wanted my readlist so badly.
12. andretimpa: He was the leading train for the longest time during Day 1, yet barely anyone seemed to care to save him. Though I'm not sure if that's true, because a lot of O R C H E S T R A T I O N went down at EOD1, which eventually kept him alive. I only briefly saw he made a longer post today, but I did not have the time to process it yet, so n-.
13. rob77dp: He does the combination of planning, solving, and making mistakes/bad calls, all that scream town to me. His confusion about Linkcat during EOD1 seemed genuine, even if it was warranted. However, I am still cautious about him for past reasons. v for now.
14. shockcannon: I am one of the few people who care about what shock says, except when he tries to lynch one of the two people who I don't want to see lynched yet. He has his "bloc" with people who trust him, including Dejaprex. If I understood correctly, he makes plans for Town, but he also has the anti-town feat of seemingly knowing too much too early. His bravado explains the latter part, so he's n+ in my book.
15. killsdazombies: I dunno. n.
16. DoubleCapitals: Same as kdz, except he did the same thing once as scum!d2d did in the previous mafia: use an out-of-context snippet of a conversation and use it to attempt discrediting someone. Not too much to go on, but n-.
18. Ge0metry v1.2: His few posts don't stick out to me, other than relatively new to our current meta. Though as I remember, he joined by saying he played mafia before, but until I look at a past mafia where he played, he's n to me. (Fun fact: I wanted to target him before I looked at my role.)

And if I organize it, it looks as follows:

(Confirmed: serprex)

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298005#msg1298005
« Reply #1067 on: May 28, 2020, 05:04:01 pm »
^ towniest post from rob so far. He just needs to realize Annele must be town if Linkcat's town. If Annele were scum, Linkcat would be dead. They could've even voted with y'all on timpa & then you wouldn't have that last minute panic to Annele when moe (confirmed town, btw) switched his vote to Linkcat last minute

Also, what's this "more info from voting Annele" theory? Linkcat wants Annele first because unconditionally he can go after kaempfer afterwards

If kaempfer is town, then scum wasn't too tied up voting on Linkcat. In which case Annele must be town too. So what kaempfer flips actually gives info on whether you might go after Annele. If, and only if, kaempfer is scum. The same does not hold for what Annele flips

Please elaborate on exactly which players would have shifted their votes as scum and exactly when they would have done so. If kaempfer is town then shock is almost definitely mafia, and he couldn't move his vote away from the bloc.
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