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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292555#msg1292555
« Reply #936 on: July 05, 2019, 11:26:52 am »
So, what I wanted to hint is that I-think-that-Linkcat-is-the-Officer. I did not plan to directly say this, because I didn't want to raise attention to this possibility. But hey, I can be wrong.~

I was considering whether I should post the grid solution or get modkilled. I tried to figure out what Town wanted me to do, so I went with the only suggestion I heard.

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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292556#msg1292556
« Reply #937 on: July 05, 2019, 11:29:09 am »
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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292557#msg1292557
« Reply #938 on: July 05, 2019, 11:30:45 am »
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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292558#msg1292558
« Reply #939 on: July 05, 2019, 11:39:43 am »
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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292559#msg1292559
« Reply #940 on: July 05, 2019, 11:41:30 am »
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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292560#msg1292560
« Reply #941 on: July 05, 2019, 01:23:50 pm »
Should we invest in wagonomics and open a second train? At this point I'm kind of convinced that its cal+insig (obv an officer could know better, but would they have gone to weeaboo first?) so I dont particularly care in which order we do it, but in case one of them is wrong wed learn more about it if we actually had multiple trains to look at rather than just someone getting quicklynched.
Yh, im starting to think all mafia except for the person who was actually being lynched defended Mobian. I mean at this point mafia fully sticking together actually goes against expectations, so why not try it? Also there might have been some actual drama with Mobian throwing and his team trying to stick up for him to make up.
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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292567#msg1292567
« Reply #942 on: July 05, 2019, 04:07:09 pm »
I would have expected more from Cal, but his argumentation has ranged from weak to non existant. Almost only agrees with points made by others, rather than making points of his own. Can elaborate if desired.

That's just my general style of play, I prefer being reactive, instead of proactive, and rely much more on game mechanics than reads, because honestly, I'm not good at reading people. It's true that I have been more proactive than usual last game, but have only been proactive because I had a lot of information available due to my role (I know I keep referring to the last game, but it's my only recent one). I'm sorry if I didn't meet your expectations.

Cal is not one I'd expect to post rapidly, but his posting seem kinda, what should I call it, superficial maybe? Here he heavily arguments against raiding which contradicts with my opinion (but save that for another time). Also implies officer has to claim on the spot, where town might as well (and most likely have) have a musician or a drug dealer creating confusion for mafia. As of now, town can win based on reads alone, where the maf duo will need to use abilities to their advantage. Like previously stated - this is more of a compliment than anything, really.

Sorry, but I don't believe you understood my argument, I just looked at the possible scenarios that might happen if the Officer is raiding. The only scenario I argued about Officer claiming on the spot is if they're the only one making noise. In the second scenario, I did say that town might make noise to stop the Officer from being found, but if only one more town does it, then it's a 50/50 for the NK.

I also think next night should be raid night. What do you guys think?

That's a quite strange suggestion, assuming the Officer didn't get blocked, they would be able to Investigate this night, rather than Raid, the Officer raiding this night and getting found out is straight up throwing if the mafia is one of the highly regarded towns.

Mobian getting bussed could explain why he was so upset, look into TorB, he also had that reaction when I pushed dawn into the lead Day 1 along with vag. Iancu I doubt would have bussed dawn Day 1 and it's likely that nobody else did either.

I don't get this, you suspect mafia bussed Mobian, but at the same time, you think I'm mafia, despite not voting for him.

Should we invest in wagonomics and open a second train? At this point I'm kind of convinced that its cal+insig (obv an officer could know better, but would they have gone to weeaboo first?) so I dont particularly care in which order we do it, but in case one of them is wrong wed learn more about it if we actually had multiple trains to look at rather than just someone getting quicklynched.
Yh, im starting to think all mafia except for the person who was actually being lynched defended Mobian. I mean at this point mafia fully sticking together actually goes against expectations, so why not try it? Also there might have been some actual drama with Mobian throwing and his team trying to stick up for him to make up.

The wagon on me happened quite fast, and with little to no questions asked by anyone there, I expect one mafia on that wagon. Look into Oa/Ian once I flip town.

Oh, and above all, I want the town people from that list to make a case against the mafia from that list using their own arguments.

Fine, I'm pretty sure both IW and MW are both town, so I'll make my case against ian/Oa, I believe there is a good chance one of them is mafia, probably Oa, not both of them though.

Most of the things I find strange about them is requesting a Gunsmith check over and over again, which seemed to earn them a townread from many here, despite the fact that it can easily be the fact that a Gunsmith is not even in the game. And even if the Gunsmith is in the game, they could have been blocked by Mobian on N0, further delaying the many players requesting to be cleared. Note that ian is claiming Mechanical Engineer, meaning that he knows for sure he didn't get checked yet.

It's a gamble, but if you consider the fact that mafia could have the tools to stop a Gunsmith, it's not much of a Gamble anymore.

As I said, most of my proactive plays are based on game mechanics, so I advise the Gunsmith to speak up if they can confirm 2 players or they caught someone in a lie.
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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292569#msg1292569
« Reply #943 on: July 05, 2019, 04:35:37 pm »
Yes, Oa/Ian/MW/insig are the people to check imo, in that order really.
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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292570#msg1292570
« Reply #944 on: July 05, 2019, 04:43:10 pm »
Yes, Oa/Ian/MW/insig are the people to check imo, in that order really.

I have no objections to that. Still on the fence regarding Cal, but I like his recent response.
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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292571#msg1292571
« Reply #945 on: July 05, 2019, 04:43:32 pm »
Btw cal, it’s worth claiming your role and targets and any info you have (if it looks like you’re about to be lynched for sure)
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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292572#msg1292572
« Reply #946 on: July 05, 2019, 04:47:54 pm »
Whys link copying me this maf. Vote on cal too. MW is probs his partner :silly:

Why do people ignore my vote q.q

Don’t bother putting it on cal rn anymore, he’s already got too many on him, I’ll keep mine onto his partner :sillyspin:
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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292576#msg1292576
« Reply #947 on: July 05, 2019, 07:16:59 pm »
Why do people ignore my vote q.q
Honestly, you post so much, you're the only person I cannot remember to find every significant post of :silly:

Mobian getting bussed could explain why he was so upset, look into TorB, he also had that reaction when I pushed dawn into the lead Day 1 along with vag.
You mean switching my vote off dawn when he responded? I wanted dawn's activity at that time, so I kept hopping from one inactive to the other until they started responding. Still, there's some info that I only share at crucial moments like these when I have no concrete reads on whom the next mafia to lynch is. I have not yet told anything explicit about my role, so if you are interested in that, you'll have to ask nicely exert some serious pressure. If I thought it would help with finding the next mafia, I would have spoken up about it by now.

Though, you know, maybe you are right. About the bussing part, I mean. Not sure if I am the one you should be looking at for that, though... he lost it not when I put my vote on him, but shortly after the Linkcat vote...
Spoiler for Linkcat quote:
Lmao at that Mobian post.

Mobian (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Spoiler for Mobian quote:
Truth be told I've been tunneling Mobian all day ever since TorB pointed him out. I was just allowing some time for other ideas to enter the playing field before making it the focal point of discussion. Unfortunately they've been kind of a letdown.
And as ian already figured every other suggested lynch (other than w3 and Mobian) gives us almost no info beyond the flip itself. Now unlike ian, I think Mobian flipping actually gives us more info than w3 (makes the entirety of no-lynch train look much better). But that's not why I want him dead.

He was very slow to point fingers, and seemed to give everyone consideration, as opposed to lynching based on personality conflicts. Given enough time, he could have brought the town together and organized us. Losing him is a huge blow to us!

Now this may not seem like much, but this is not a town!Mobian post. town!Mobian would be about equally frustrated with each dead town more and not single out Espithel as the be-all-end-all. It's also ironic how Espithel promised to point a finger at Mobian today. In this context too "slow to point fingers" almost seems like gloating.
Also thanks for letting us now your thinking process on nking.

Additionally he seems to particularly strongly concerned with his survival (a little of it makes sense regardless of alignement, but hes reacting very early).

Furthermore he's hedging his read on w3. It seems he knows w3 is town and wants to take credit for "predicting" it, but he still wants to incite a strong enough suspicion to allow for him to get lynched.

Add to that the fact that he was already at the bottom of my PoE and I cant help but tunnel him.

Now, is this post a bit hyperbolic? certainly, but on Day 2 i doubt we can make any stronger case.

You may have killed espi, but the furry police is gonna get you for it:


Mobian (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
blow
Press b to blow. You certainly did blow regardless of alignement.

I don't know how many times I have to say it. The. Past. Games. I. Was. In. A. Shitty. Personal. Space! This led to the stress and anxiety that I was experiencing in the real world to bleed over into this hot mess of a community. This time around, I just started a new job with higher pay and actual benefits, and can actually afford to catch up on my bills. With that in mind, I was also able to reflect on the things most disliked about me, and try to change them for the better. It would seem, though, that you all are too busy looking for monsters that you chalk personal growth up to manipulation. Quite frankly, that's not acceptable, in game or out. Do what you will, I think I'm actually done playing. One of you will recite rule 10 again, but not one of you will understand how difficult it has been as an autistic to try to make that change happen. Enjoy the rest of your game, genleman.

Suicide - Mobian

Spoiler for Oa quote:
Cal and Insig are both sensible lynch targets imo. Still think MW is town.
Any particular reason? I value the arguments you use to reach a conclusion more than the conclusion itself. Some post has to stand out that embodies why you prefer targeting them.

Understandable.

Insig has been way more quiet than I would expect him to be, and his posts have been either shitposts or vague. This has me leery.

Cal is not one I'd expect to post rapidly, but his posting seem kinda, what should I call it, superficial maybe? Here he heavily arguments against raiding which contradicts with my opinion (but save that for another time). Also implies officer has to claim on the spot, where town might as well (and most likely have) have a musician or a drug dealer creating confusion for mafia. As of now, town can win based on reads alone, where the maf duo will need to use abilities to their advantage. Like previously stated - this is more of a compliment than anything, really.



Bottom note:
When officer have two confirmed affinities I believe he should drop the bomb. I also think next night should be raid night. What do you guys think?
Now those are some points I can work with. For officer, if none of the targets were killed, it should be noise free investigation time, so I agree with Calindu there.
Spoiler for Cal quote 1:
I also think next night should be raid night. What do you guys think?

That's a quite strange suggestion, assuming the Officer didn't get blocked, they would be able to Investigate this night, rather than Raid, the Officer raiding this night and getting found out is straight up throwing if the mafia is one of the highly regarded towns.
I think the officer is best of doing the raid unannounced, then drop all the intel after making noise. Until then, everyone making noise is suspect of scumminess. If both confirmed affinities are town, it's not useful. If one of them is mafia and not high on lynch rankings or unexpected, that is enough reason for full openness imo.

IWs reasoning for voting w3 was total crap and could have caused Mobian not to get lynched if one more maf voted w3 (even Mobian himself!). Which makes me interested in why no one else did. Mobian seemed sincerely pissed, but as I pointed out and the lynch proved, that did not change anything regarding his alignment.

Spoiler for Cal quote 2:
The wagon on me happened quite fast, and with little to no questions asked by anyone there, I expect one mafia on that wagon. Look into Oa/Ian once I flip town.

Oh, and above all, I want the town people from that list to make a case against the mafia from that list using their own arguments.

Fine, I'm pretty sure both IW and MW are both town, so I'll make my case against ian/Oa, I believe there is a good chance one of them is mafia, probably Oa, not both of them though.

Most of the things I find strange about them is requesting a Gunsmith check over and over again, which seemed to earn them a townread from many here, despite the fact that it can easily be the fact that a Gunsmith is not even in the game. And even if the Gunsmith is in the game, they could have been blocked by Mobian on N0, further delaying the many players requesting to be cleared. Note that ian is claiming Mechanical Engineer, meaning that he knows for sure he didn't get checked yet.

It's a gamble, but if you consider the fact that mafia could have the tools to stop a Gunsmith, it's not much of a Gamble anymore.

As I said, most of my proactive plays are based on game mechanics, so I advise the Gunsmith to speak up if they can confirm 2 players or they caught someone in a lie.
At this point, we might as well not have a gunsmith, so with the no-weapon claims piling up it definitely loses credibility. Sub was the only one to ask for a check before one could reasonably know whether there was a gunsmith, and it would require sacrificing ian if he was actually mafia at this point if one security guard is all mafia has... doesn't sound very ian like.

So, time for another summary of reads. I didn't need one day 2 because I felt really sure about the mafia read, but like day 1, I do not really get that confidence here, yet...
More walls incoming.

 

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