Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu

[Submachine]

Speaking of Warden, which role should a Town Grave Robber take for this Night?

Friendly Neighbor, Policeman or Warden?

I would like to hear iancu’s opinion too on this.

[worldwideweb3]

WAIT IM TYPING

[worldwideweb3]

Having someone make noise, does not prove they have a noise-making role. They could be fail-haunting.

If they Haunt, then they are Mafia and the Gunsmith will find them to be lying.

i would like a scum list from w3, iancu, playeroa, sub, and Linkcat.

High Town

1. TheonlyrealBeef. Everyone forgot that he was the first one to request investigation.
2. iancudorinmarian. He requested a Gunsmith confirmation earlier than any sane Mafia member would do.

Lower Town

3. PlayerOa. This is a recent ranking change. He is also one of the non-weapon holders. He was Neutral before.
4. worldwideweb3. He's the top poster, which would be very risky as Mafia. I also townread his response of not answering the RQS (I made a post about this). He recently haven't been of use lately, and I considered voting him out to avoid the tunneling that happened in last game, but what happened last phase justifies all of this.
5. MasterWalks. I only have a weaker case for MW. He's making mistakes and moves that I think come from information withdrawal. If he had others to tell him what to do, I don't think he would be as jumpy.
6. kaempfer13. Almost at Neutral Plus, but his sheer amount of contributions allow him to be part of my Lower Town reads. He's not higher, because I believe he can play the same style as both Town and Mafia.

Neutral Plus

7. InsignificantWeeaboo. He shared information about his role at an interesting point. It felt like he was either suffering from information withdrawal or he was trying to hint us towards a plan.

The "Do they even play in this game?" category

8. Linkcat
9. Naii_the_Baf

Neutral Minus

10. Annele
11. vagman13
11. Calindu
11. dawn to dusk

Treat the bottom of Neutral Minus as my scumreads. These reads were barely affected by the last few hours. The only recent change is PlayerOa, and the last change before that was dawn dropping from Neutral to Neutral Minus.

Stop posting, I want to post this. Guys, stop for a hot second.
2 New Replies.
Okay 3 New Replies.
LINK, BAD TIMING!

Link to post where ian asked to be checked by gunsmith?

MW is either nub town or a mafia. i dont know which just yet. He could acc be mafia.

If I could have my pick of mafia allies, it'd be MW, WWW3, and Linkcat.

 interesting post, make whatever you want of it.

shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3

My first proper note. Now was i a mafia bussing mobian hard to be townread by everyone or was i just a lucky town? ill leave that to you. Surprised no one pointed out how hard i went on mobian on first day. We should have killed mafia day 1 but no one listens owo

We only have half the votes in, too. There's no role like graboid in this version, so there's no reason to not vote!

This means most mafia had voted by then probs. people who had voted can be seen in my above quote. tbf tho i wouldnt take this too seriously.

List of people who answered rqs so i dont have to go back and get it: link, torb, kae, sub, cal, anelle, oA, ian, espi, mob, vag, MW.

Mobian was my scum read. Ffs are people not reading my posts or what

A self appreciation quote q.q

shockcannon (5)- Annele, vagman13, Mobian, PlayerOa, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu

I don’t believe shock to be mafia, but I need to save myself because town are stupid.

Calling shock as town again. Am i just a mafia knowing everyones roles at the end of day? you decide q.q

I really wanted a mob lynch but people don’t wanna follow. I said don’t make it a two way :facepalm:

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

dawn is likely asleep right now and I heavily disagree on making a bandwagon on him right now

All the this, and I really don't see him as scummy.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA dawn mafia incoming

Anelle is town. No way is she going to hammer mobian with the last vote when voting on me was a good option too in the eyes of most of the town.

Reading through the thread and I need to clear up something. According to the forum click, 1 hour before deadline for me is 3am. I was sleeping at 3am.
I have no electricity at the moment so I'm unable to post much

No power?? Everything ok?

Make what you will.

Slight mafia read on dawn.

This is interesting.


More incoming dont want a big post

[worldwideweb3]

So as for now, you lean both scum and town, but you have sus. If i was to right out a scum read, you would appear on it twice.

When talking about mob. tryna save him while being able to claim "i said he was scum" at the same time aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel

I'm willing to bet at least two people who voted on no-lynch are scum. Annele and vagbuddy are probably town. A mafia wouldn't stick to an officer claim, even if it's shock doing that claim.

Now that shock and Espi are dead, there are only www3, Sub and TorB left there. Out of the three, w3 is the most scummy of them all imo. I have a slight town read on Sub and neutral read on Torb atm.

I still hold my opinion that both shock and w3 have to be dead by Day 2. If w3 turns out to be town, that most likely means at least one of TorB/Sub and 2-3 of MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu,  kaempfer13, PlayerOa, Mobian are mafia. I also think d2d is likely mafia as well. If he is indeed scum like I think he is, that gives us even more information.

Either way, w3 dying would give us a lot of information no matter what his alignment turns out to be.

worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu,  kaempfer13, PlayerOa

Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (1) - iancudorinmarian

Just wanna point out this post bad cause torb sub and me all town owo

Ohh and I like the sound of Sub's new idea of townclaiming. If I'm officer, the following statement is true as I have done my first investigation by now. If I'm not the officer, this is merely a simple townread without any more substance.

kaempfer13 is town.

The idea was horrible in hindsight. Mafia could be making all the claims and then when officer made a claim, they know its a officer. Dont know if maf did go down that route, because if so Oa youre in troubleeeeeeeeee.

Ohh and I like the sound of Sub's new idea of townclaiming. If I'm officer, the following statement is true as I have done my first investigation by now. If I'm not the officer, this is merely a simple townread without any more substance.

kaempfer13 is town.

I say this exact same thing.

MW is in troubleeeeeeeeee toooooo.

if we dont find a maf this phase, we are gonna be 4 town down. More if maf has a kill role too.

Okay, that's exactly the card Sub pulled two mafias ago. We were at do-or-die stage and he was the most desperate one out of all, when he was scum "WE HAVE TO LYNCH MAFIA NOW OR WE LOSE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA". You're pulling that card waaaaaay to early to be town. Like c'mon dude, it's just day 2.

@others, help me lynch w3.

I'd love to, but I don't think he's dirty. I'm on the fence regarding Insig and Naii though.

Dunno if mob wasnt voting me cause i am maf or if he was trying to play the "told ya www3 was town" card. Idk what to make of his insig naii comment.

"We'll lynch w3 later" is a joke. I've seen how this "lynching later" works. The person gets ignored and gets to live up to lategame. The same thing happened with shock last game, and what happened? Town lost.

As I've said, no matter what alignment w3 turns out to be, we still get info. w3's "You'll get no information from lynching me" is like a chicken saying "don't kill and cook me, I won't be tasty at all". I'd also like to remind you all that we're playing "mafia", not "survivor".

See, this is the main problem with mafia in this forum. If the person that comes up with the plan isn't like Link, Root, dd tier, it gets ignored. So far, nobody pointed any drawbacks in lynching w3, only that they have "better ideas". If your better idea is lynching someone that gives little to no info, then suit yourself.

Lynching:
- Mobian - w3 is most likely town if Mobian is mafia. Congratulations, you confirmed 1 civvy and got no other info. If Mobian is town, you get nothing.
- vagbuddy - literally no info regardless of his alignment
- d2d - Town? Congratulations, you get nothing. Mafia? Maaaaaaybe you can analyze some orchestration going on to save him, but he wasn't really in all that much danger of being lynched..

Iancu senpaiiiiiiiiiiiii get ya act togetherrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Mobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa
vagman13 (1) - Submachine

Bad Oa very bad

Part 3 incoming

[worldwideweb3]

Mobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine

I do want to point a finger at Sub, leading mass votes against people who are unable to defend themselves at the end of a phase, especially after what happened last mafia, is super scummy to me. Especially at a time when a lot of people are panicking, it's easy to  o r c h e s t r a t e  something like this.

AAAAAAAA says bad stuff about sub and votes me aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Put my vote on submachine. I simply don't see where you guys are getting a town read

Weird vote. Almost as if he didnt wanna vote mob because its his teammate and didnt wanna vote me incase mob died and flipped maf cause it would make him look bad.

As I said before the no lynch wagon is all town.

For reference again.

Mobian (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13
worldwideweb3 (5) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Submachine (1) - MasterWalks

This vote is here to give Mobi some time to better defend himself

Wat is this post. i called it out before and time to call it out again.

Torb is a hard town rn. And he is playing very well. GOOD JOB TORB YOU GET AN APPRECIATION COMMENT FROM ME ENJOY OWO MAYBE ILL SPEED UP YOUR GM BATTLE.

I never really stated my read on Mobian.

For the record, I don't scumread him.

Interpret that as you wish.

I will i will

I like to think I'm better at townreading than scumreading... but sure!

d2d, Insig, Cal and Link. w3 neutral-

Oa d2d interaction is spicyyyyyyyyyyyy

I will provide a scumread list after this night. I still have to figure some stuff out.

ALSO, 48 HOUR NIGHT PHASES AGAIN AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I would like it before the night phase ends please if possible.

SUMMARY: ANELLE AND TORB ARE HARD TOWN.
Kae is probs town but hes germans and germans have a great brain so he could be a brilliant mafia.
Link: DAWDY
Sub: probably town but really needs to dump all his plans LOL
Oa d2d MW insig are interesting people to kill. Will find stuff if we kill them.
I wouldn't kill cal just yet.
Iancuuuuuu senpaiiiiiiiiiii your sharingan is weaker than my rinnegan owo
i dont know what to make of nutkick guy and fabian.

[worldwideweb3]

[Annele]

Speaking of Warden, which role should a Town Grave Robber take for this Night?

Friendly Neighbor, Policeman or Warden?

I would like to hear iancu’s opinion too on this.

Since it's a 1U, do you think it's worth jumping straight on to one of those roles? If we save Grave Robber, then we essentially have a backup Officer or Gunsmith in case one of them gets NKed (or god forbid, lynched). That is, of course, assuming GR is town and doesn't die before either of those two.
Essentially my question is would it be more beneficial for town to have one of those abilities back now, or to keep GR as a fail safe?

[worldwideweb3]

Speaking of Warden, which role should a Town Grave Robber take for this Night?

Friendly Neighbor, Policeman or Warden?

I would like to hear iancu’s opinion too on this.

Since it's a 1U, do you think it's worth jumping straight on to one of those roles? If we save Grave Robber, then we essentially have a backup Officer or Gunsmith in case one of them gets NKed (or god forbid, lynched). That is, of course, assuming GR is town and doesn't die before either of those two.
Essentially my question is would it be more beneficial for town to have one of those abilities back now, or to keep GR as a fail safe?

Agreed, probs best to wait. Tho friendly neighbour isnt bad. The other two arent worth going for.

[MasterWalks]

First of all, thank you w3 for writing this out. I havent been as invested in this mafia as i have the others and this compilation of important posts helps me a ton.

Put my vote on submachine. I simply don't see where you guys are getting a town read

Weird vote. Almost as if he didnt wanna vote mob because its his teammate and didnt wanna vote me incase mob died and flipped maf cause it would make him look bad.

Just to address this, I am not smart enough to think of something like that. My thought process in mafia is not "if X flips town then Y is mafia" and it never really crosses my mind. I just listen to everyone else when they say stuff like this cause sheep.

[kaempfer13]

I think he meant undertaker. If he didn't:
The fuck Submachine? This is the 4th plan you made that is just awfull!

[worldwideweb3]

Oh I missed someone out on the list.

Www3: defo mafia lmao.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

As long as everyone makes no sound at night, policeman is junk. Friendly neighbour... not really worth it. Security guard is better for scum, so let's not.

I think he meant undertaker. If he didn't:
The fuck Submachine? This is the 4th plan you made that is just awfull!

Thinking plans through pays off. The frequency of these plans make me hope for that it is just not well thought out.