Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu

[Linkcat]

Can i request scum reads from people?

 i would like a scum list from w3, iancu, playeroa, sub, and Linkcat.

My list is the same as whatever w3's is.

[Submachine]

Having someone make noise, does not prove they have a noise-making role. They could be fail-haunting.

If they Haunt, then they are Mafia and the Gunsmith will find them to be lying.

i would like a scum list from w3, iancu, playeroa, sub, and Linkcat.

High Town

1. TheonlyrealBeef. Everyone forgot that he was the first one to request investigation.
2. iancudorinmarian. He requested a Gunsmith confirmation earlier than any sane Mafia member would do.

Lower Town

3. PlayerOa. This is a recent ranking change. He is also one of the non-weapon holders. He was Neutral before.
4. worldwideweb3. He's the top poster, which would be very risky as Mafia. I also townread his response of not answering the RQS (I made a post about this). He recently haven't been of use lately, and I considered voting him out to avoid the tunneling that happened in last game, but what happened last phase justifies all of this.
5. MasterWalks. I only have a weaker case for MW. He's making mistakes and moves that I think come from information withdrawal. If he had others to tell him what to do, I don't think he would be as jumpy.
6. kaempfer13. Almost at Neutral Plus, but his sheer amount of contributions allow him to be part of my Lower Town reads. He's not higher, because I believe he can play the same style as both Town and Mafia.

Neutral Plus

7. InsignificantWeeaboo. He shared information about his role at an interesting point. It felt like he was either suffering from information withdrawal or he was trying to hint us towards a plan.

The "Do they even play in this game?" category

8. Linkcat
9. Naii_the_Baf

Neutral Minus

10. Annele
11. vagman13
11. Calindu
11. dawn to dusk

Treat the bottom of Neutral Minus as my scumreads. These reads were barely affected by the last few hours. The only recent change is PlayerOa, and the last change before that was dawn dropping from Neutral to Neutral Minus.

Stop posting, I want to post this. Guys, stop for a hot second.
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LINK, BAD TIMING!

[worldwideweb3]

Scum: link
Town: rest

[worldwideweb3]

Having someone make noise, does not prove they have a noise-making role. They could be fail-haunting.

If they Haunt, then they are Mafia and the Gunsmith will find them to be lying.

i would like a scum list from w3, iancu, playeroa, sub, and Linkcat.

High Town

1. TheonlyrealBeef. Everyone forgot that he was the first one to request investigation.
2. iancudorinmarian. He requested a Gunsmith confirmation earlier than any sane Mafia member would do.

Lower Town

3. PlayerOa. This is a recent ranking change. He is also one of the non-weapon holders. He was Neutral before.
4. worldwideweb3. He's the top poster, which would be very risky as Mafia. I also townread his response of not answering the RQS (I made a post about this). He recently haven't been of use lately, and I considered voting him out to avoid the tunneling that happened in last game, but what happened last phase justifies all of this.
5. MasterWalks. I only have a weaker case for MW. He's making mistakes and moves that I think come from information withdrawal. If he had others to tell him what to do, I don't think he would be as jumpy.
6. kaempfer13. Almost at Neutral Plus, but his sheer amount of contributions allow him to be part of my Lower Town reads. He's not higher, because I believe he can play the same style as both Town and Mafia.

Neutral Plus

7. InsignificantWeeaboo. He shared information about his role at an interesting point. It felt like he was either suffering from information withdrawal or he was trying to hint us towards a plan.

The "Do they even play in this game?" category

8. Linkcat
9. Naii_the_Baf

Neutral Minus

10. Annele
11. vagman13
11. Calindu
11. dawn to dusk

Treat the bottom of Neutral Minus as my scumreads. These reads were barely affected by the last few hours. The only recent change is PlayerOa, and the last change before that was dawn dropping from Neutral to Neutral Minus.

Stop posting, I want to post this. Guys, stop for a hot second.
2 New Replies.
Okay 3 New Replies.
LINK, BAD TIMING!

Aaaaa so much wrong w this

Will say when I’m back on laptop

[MasterWalks]

Lower Town

5. MasterWalks. I only have a weaker case for MW. He's making mistakes and moves that I think come from information withdrawal. If he had others to tell him what to do, I don't think he would be as jumpy.

Alright, I would like to inquire about this.
You say i am jumpy. I was jumpy last game. I would say im pretty laxed this game. Im still discovering my role and how it really works.
You say i made mistakes. Emphasis on the S. I made one mistake that i can see and its not even that big of a mistake. I revealed when i was going to use my role. Could you inform me of the other mistakes?
Lastly you say if i had others tell me what to do, i wouldnt be so jumpy.
First of all, how dare you?
Secondly, if i was mafia, I have a pretty clear idea on how i would play and it wouldnt be doing what the rest of them tell me to.

The last part might make me look scummy but idc, i am going to defend my image of not being a sheep. Would a sheep be able to root out a secret circle of power nested in the EtG playerbase? Absolutely not.

[Submachine]

This whole last post is a jump. Nothing is calm about it.

[worldwideweb3]

Lower Town

5. MasterWalks. I only have a weaker case for MW. He's making mistakes and moves that I think come from information withdrawal. If he had others to tell him what to do, I don't think he would be as jumpy.

Alright, I would like to inquire about this.
You say i am jumpy. I was jumpy last game. I would say im pretty laxed this game. Im still discovering my role and how it really works.
You say i made mistakes. Emphasis on the S. I made one mistake that i can see and its not even that big of a mistake. I revealed when i was going to use my role. Could you inform me of the other mistakes?
Lastly you say if i had others tell me what to do, i wouldnt be so jumpy.
First of all, how dare you?
Secondly, if i was mafia, I have a pretty clear idea on how i would play and it wouldnt be doing what the rest of them tell me to.

The last part might make me look scummy but idc, i am going to defend my image of not being a sheep. Would a sheep be able to root out a secret circle of power nested in the EtG playerbase? Absolutely not.

Fam he read you as town calm down.

Plus it’s just subs reads who cares

Plus you asked for his reads.

[MasterWalks]

Everything after the "[ hr ]" was sarcasm/satire

I really only care about the mistakes but you can reveal those after the game.
FWIW my shitty scum read on sub is dying down. I have no scum read to replace it with. I only have town reads and i only have a couple.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

The last part might make me look scummy but idc, i am going to defend my image of not being a sheep. Would a sheep be able to root out a secret circle of power nested in the EtG playerbase? Absolutely not.

Yet you could not see the mafia others could and have no scum reads, hmmm...

Having someone make noise, does not prove they have a noise-making role. They could be fail-haunting.

If they Haunt, then they are Mafia and the Gunsmith will find them to be lying.

Right, as long as the gunsmith is town. I look for flaws in all plans, but that's the only thing that came to mind. Cannot be all bad. But how to do this? As soon as someone roleclaims, they should count on their role being taken by haunt, which has top priority. So no sound will be made. Is simply checking weapons of people with no-weapon claims not good enough in itself? I still feel like having a small pool of people to pick from for weaponsmith is the best way to go. They should pick their own targets based on those claims, to mitigate the risk of a mafia agent sniffing them out with hide.

I have not been sharing a lot of plans since I find there to be flaws in most, primarily the fact that they all require us to either assume someone is town, or to lynch officer/gunsmith to prove them right. Consequently, if one of those is threatened to die by lynch, they should reveal everything and let themselves be lynched. Makes their statements trustworthy and gives us useful intel. But steering towards getting them lynched on purpose is just a really bad idea right now.

3. PlayerOa. This is a recent ranking change. He is also one of the non-weapon holders. He was Neutral before.

The only recent change is PlayerOa, and the last change before that was dawn dropping from Neutral to Neutral Minus.

Right, his defense has been solid so far, and he was one of the main reasons I suspected all three of them being mafia would be too good to be true. So I will let that rest, for now. There are two heavier scum reads from me and a lot can happen in two days.

Just one question for PlayerOa: why was Mobian not mentioned in any of your posts last day, despite there being several people voting to lynch him? At least ian considered him, for example.

[PlayerOa]

Just one question for PlayerOa: why was Mobian not mentioned in any of your posts last day, despite there being several people voting to lynch him? At least ian considered him, for example.

Because I genuinely felt bad for him, and I didn't want to stir the drama pot more than necessary. I've come to realize not commenting it at all smells somewhat scummy, though. Fair play.

Also, as I have previously stated - although we'll never get to know the PM exchange between Ginyu and Mobian, I really didn't think he'd ask for a modkill as mafia, effectively throwing for his maf teammates. That's some next level bussing.

[kaempfer13]

We have to consider that the gunsmith has a good chance of being behind schedule now that Mobian flipped guard. there was plenty of motivation to target Sub to block the gunsmith on N0.

[MasterWalks]

Mobians modkill request should be ignored in the grander scheme of mafia. Speaking to him privately, that post had nothing to do with this mafia specifically necessarily, but more personal reasons. I digress from it and the rest of us should too.

Now, to offer something, here is my town read in order form most town to least town.

kaempfer13, w3, vagman, TorB.