Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu

[dawn to dusk]

Mobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine

I do want to point a finger at Sub, leading mass votes against people who are unable to defend themselves at the end of a phase, especially after what happened last mafia, is super scummy to me. Especially at a time when a lot of people are panicking, it's easy to  o r c h e s t r a t e  something like this. I don't have much on him beyond this, which is why I'm not fully ready to vote on him yet though.

[dawn to dusk]

I'll add that he said he saw me online, but not only was it 3am, but my power went out that morning. I have no idea how he thought I was online

[worldwideweb3]

If I’m town, you learn nothing. Seriously, stop making me dd of last mafia. This is incredibly stupid.

[Submachine]

I'll add that he said he saw me online, but not only was it 3am, but my power went out that morning. I have no idea how he thought I was online

I checked your profile, saw when you were last online, compared it to the time when you last posted in topic, and the last vote you could have seen was where you were tied as a top vote with someone. If you haven't seen that, then you were top vote before that. You saw you being top vote either way.

You denying that is an added scum lean, hmm.

[worldwideweb3]

Right now, w3 is not helpful to town at all.

Do not conflate "town helpfulness" with "being town."
The goal of the mafia is to blend in. That means that they actively want to be helpful to the town.
In fact, this is my overall strategy as a scum: Be so helpful that you would never possibly want to lynch me. <3

Although, this is day 1. "You're not helpful" lynches are valid this early as we don't have good reads. However, they rapidly lose their worth, very quickly.

I think www3 is town, due to how frazzled he is at this moment in time. The general rule of thumb is that mafia like to hold back and play the field, while town has convictions. Even though they're retardedly weak and he refuses to elaborate on them, he does have conviction.

I don't think mafia would be this willfully obtuse, but I won't be sad to see him gone.

I'm going to calculate some odds with Shock in a bit. Please give me a moment.

Post where espi was townreading me.

[worldwideweb3]

Shock has a higher chance of being mafia than everyone else purely statistically assuming he's telling the truth.
I actually really don't like how both ian and Kae YEETED onto that www3 wagon immediately.

I really wanted a mob lynch but people don’t wanna follow. I said don’t make it a two way :facepalm:

Did you know not giving reasons to lynch people makes them not give a fuck?

Shade on Ian and kae. And again defence of me somewhat.

Link, talk.

[dawn to dusk]

Didn't we literally agree on not bandwagoning one who's afk at lynchtime last game?

Yes, we did! Dawn aiiin't dying today!

Here's a thing that's been bugging me. Dawn was not afk 1 hour before the deadline, at which point he saw that he was top lynch. That's not even behind his back. That's why I don't like the reasoning given against voting him.

Poops, I forgot about Haunt.

This is blatantly incorrect. There is zero chance this could have been correct, and I have Google History to prove it.

[worldwideweb3]

You sure you wanna share your google history

[Submachine]

Yeah, www is most likely Town, but then please use a different defense than "you learn nothing by lynching me". This is not survivor, so noone will listen to that.

Or offer a better alternative that makes sense. Do your scumreading thing. You got 3 out of 4 last time. You haven't even placed a vote yet.

This is a team game where if you die early, your team can still win if you nudge your team in the right direction while being alive. Focusing on the self-preserving doesn't help on the long run.

This is blatantly incorrect. There is zero chance this could have been correct, and I have Google History to prove it.

That is no case against you being potentially mafia though. Post your Google history, but the scumlean your recent posts caused will probably stick on you.

[worldwideweb3]

Yeah, www is most likely Town, but then please use a different defense than "you learn nothing by lynching me". This is not survivor, so noone will listen to that.

Or offer a better alternative that makes sense. Do your scumreading thing. You got 3 out of 4 last time. You haven't even placed a vote yet.

This is a team game where if you die early, your team can still win if you nudge your team in the right direction while being alive. Focusing on the self-preserving doesn't help on the long run.

This is blatantly incorrect. There is zero chance this could have been correct, and I have Google History to prove it.

That is no case against you being potentially mafia though. Post your Google history, but the scumlean your recent posts caused will probably stick on you.

Ian sid you get info from lynching me. I want to know what info exactly.

[kaempfer13]

Truth be told I've been tunneling Mobian all day ever since TorB pointed him out. I was just allowing some time for other ideas to enter the playing field before making it the focal point of discussion. Unfortunately they've been kind of a letdown.
And as ian already figured every other suggested lynch (other than w3 and Mobian) gives us almost no info beyond the flip itself. Now unlike ian, I think Mobian flipping actually gives us more info than w3 (makes the entirety of no-lynch train look much better). But that's not why I want him dead.

He was very slow to point fingers, and seemed to give everyone consideration, as opposed to lynching based on personality conflicts. Given enough time, he could have brought the town together and organized us. Losing him is a huge blow to us!

Now this may not seem like much, but this is not a town!Mobian post. town!Mobian would be about equally frustrated with each dead town more and not single out Espithel as the be-all-end-all. It's also ironic how Espithel promised to point a finger at Mobian today. In this context too "slow to point fingers" almost seems like gloating.
Also thanks for letting us now your thinking process on nking.

Additionally he seems to particularly strongly concerned with his survival (a little of it makes sense regardless of alignement, but hes reacting very early).

Furthermore he's hedging his read on w3. It seems he knows w3 is town and wants to take credit for "predicting" it, but he still wants to incite a strong enough suspicion to allow for him to get lynched.

Add to that the fact that he was already at the bottom of my PoE and I cant help but tunnel him.

Now, is this post a bit hyperbolic? certainly, but on Day 2 i doubt we can make any stronger case.

You may have killed espi, but the furry police is gonna get you for it:


Mobian (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine

blow

Press b to blow. You certainly did blow regardless of alignement.

[dawn to dusk]

I am worried about hitting a Town investigative role.

Shock said he has a weapon, which can mean a lot of things including our main 2 cop roles.

Www3 said we would regret if he got him, which can mean he also has a good role.

Sadly this can be true about anyone. We were lucky that Moe's ability was not particularly useful, but we can't be lucky forever.

The problem is, shock is probably Town and he sounds like he has a more useful role than dawn. But right now, if he's Town, he's intentionally not being useful.

I'm removing my vote from dawn, for now. I will probably place it on shock before the deadline if it will matter.

shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef

If we lynch shock and he's Town Gunsmith, I will be upset.

This was the last vote I saw. I was tied second, and votes were being directed elsewhere than me. I was confident I could sleep, so I did. I almost always go to sleep around midnight. I definitely do not go to sleep at 3:00am. I do not believe for a second that you saw me online, and this is only making my scum read of you higher.