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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292067#msg1292067
« Reply #552 on: June 29, 2019, 07:21:22 pm »
Also, +1 rep to kae for lynchlog. Very helpful.


P.S. You kinda painted yourself into a corner. If next game you dont lynchlog people will look sus on you.Look at what Oa said about it; you just doing it made him town read you.
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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292068#msg1292068
« Reply #553 on: June 29, 2019, 07:26:53 pm »
Yh, I will forever do the lynchlog even as scum. if that's an automatic townread I wouldn't be cornered at all.
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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292069#msg1292069
« Reply #554 on: June 29, 2019, 07:28:20 pm »
Yh, I will forever do the lynchlog even as scum. if that's an automatic townread I wouldn't be cornered at all.

It's not. But it's something I kept in mind at the start of this game, obviously not mentioning it before now when you did it. Interpret it however you want.
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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292071#msg1292071
« Reply #555 on: June 29, 2019, 08:17:32 pm »
So far I've used my ability N0, and I plan on using it this night.

Won't say anything except that for now.

ffs stop saying whether you used your ability or not. Only say anything regarding abilities if you have good enough info to point out some maf. Saying stuff like this tells mafia what role you might have.
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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292072#msg1292072
« Reply #556 on: June 29, 2019, 08:18:21 pm »
@kae i wasnt against posting, i was against posting so freaking much on n0 when there was absolutely nothing to talk about except shitposts.
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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292073#msg1292073
« Reply #557 on: June 29, 2019, 08:25:12 pm »
Mafia probably pays more attention to these claims than the majority of Town. Should we compile these in one post to catch up Town to what Mafia already probably knows?

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« Reply #558 on: June 29, 2019, 08:40:17 pm »
Mafia probably pays more attention to these claims than the majority of Town. Should we compile these in one post to catch up Town to what Mafia already probably knows?

We already had varying levels of claims from 5 players.

That'd be nice, fam.

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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292078#msg1292078
« Reply #559 on: June 29, 2019, 08:48:10 pm »

BIG LETTERS SO I CAN FIND THIS IMPORTANT POST AGAIN IN THIS STUPIDLY LARGE THREAD BECAUSE WWW3 ALREADY HAS OVER 80 POSTS. PAGE 47, DO NOT FORGET.
Spoiler for galaxy brain analysis:
Making this post is dangerous, but not everyone has galaxy brain like me so I have to implant some fail safes. Anyways, let's move on to the point. My officer claim SEEMS to corner me into a predicament where my options are limited. If I told the truth, I'm likely to die to mafia and I'm probably heavily considering using my raid early to get value before I die. If mafia has guard I'm basically screwed. If I'm still town but lying, there will probably be a lot of investigative roles on me and regardless people will be expecting my results. Assuming I live, I either have to reveal that I bamboozled everyone and get lynched for it, or I randomly claim that someone is either town or mafia and hope that 1.) I'm right, and 2.) No one is able to counterclaim my claim due to their night abilities.
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But that line of thinking results from peanut size brain. I have galaxy size brain. So let's explore what is actually a plethora of possible outcomes and strategies (I won't relist the outcomes discussed above, but know that I acknowledge those 2 outcomes exist and are highly likely and I will count those as options 1 and 2).


3.) I'm actually mafia. Funnily enough, this is the ideal situation for everyone. I'm the primary role I want to be, I'm in the exact position I want to be, and everyone can finally be right about tunneling me as scum. In my opinion, that I can say is humble but none of you will believe that, I straight up just win the game if I'm mafia here. Am I arrogant? Sure. But I'm in a spot where several people actually believe I might be officer. I can probably buy a few phases because I can just claim that someone is confirmed town, which they actually would be since I know who all the town are. I could also claim that one of my teammates is town, but this would look scummy if I end up getting lynched. But reverse psychology. Everyone thinks I'm crazy and unpredictable. As a result, none of my claims would be trusted and so I wouldn't be hurting my teammates regardless of what I claim, I would only be buying myself time. Assuming I pick my claims carefully, I should be able to get away with it as only the actual Officer would be able to out me. But if they out me that's pretty much a win for mafia. Not only that, I may draw healing from doctor or strange pills, making our mafia team even more confident that our NK won't be stopped.

Now this is reason enough that you should straight up lynch me right now. But consider this. I'm analyzing my own situation way deeper than anyone else. I'm not just throwing out useless percentages of what I might be if I carry a weapon. What do I as mafia have to gain my increasing my suspicion 10 fold? I know you'll say that it's because I'm shock and that's what I would do, but I could've played my own play style without going through the risk I have. I didn't even have to reveal that I carried a weapon. You may say otherwise, but I guarantee you regardless of alignment I could've avoided being a top lynch candidate and being forced to reveal as officer if I wanted to. I let that happen, and you might think that a town would never do that because a townie benefits nothing from that play. Peanut size brain I say.

4.) This is technically a scenario 2b but I'm town and I lied about officer. Now why would I do that other than to throw for town or cause chaos? Well the obvious seeming answer would be I did it to save myself from dying to lynch. Yes, but I just announced that I could've avoided this situation all together to begin with. I knew not talking would bring votes on me. I knew that talking more after that would bring even more votes on me. So what do I have to gain from this, or am I just throwing? Well, I will cause a lot of chaos and wasted abilities for town IF town plays like they normally do with peanut size brain capacity. I might cause the real officer to be forced to counterclaim early and reveal. If this happens, its a disaster. Real officer is revealed and I get lynched. But we're both town, so effectively I just lose two town members, our most important role, and cause everyone to distrust each other. Additionally, I probably guarantee that everyone lynches me day 1 for every future mafia game. But is this situation salvageable, or even advantageous?

Possibly, maybe even yes. I can use this situation to act as a decoy for real officer. If the real officer thinks that this scenario is what's playing out now, they effectively have additional protection. If I die to mafia, that's one less night where they could've hit officer. What's more, if we have a friendly neighbor in play, I have just set up town for an amazing system that could straight up win the game. This is how it works:
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Friendly neighbor contacts me. I reveal publicly the names of 2-3 people that the friendly neighbor is among. Officer uses observe on those players until they find the friendly neighbor. Then they check their primary role. If friendly neighbor is mafia, we just found a mafia. If friendly neighbor is town though, now we have a medium for the real officer to give me information without having to publicly reveal. Between potential heals and the fact that I may not be the real officer, mafia has to decide if trying to NK me is worth the risk. If they NK me, I might get healed as the claimed officer. If they NK me successfully, I may turn up a useless role that they wasted time on, especially since players already find me suspicious. They lose me as scapegoat target to hide behind during the day lynches. But if they don't NK me, I keep feeding primary roles to the public. These roles will be as close to confirmed as you can get. If I happen to be the real officer, having the potential for this strategy also gives me even more protection, since mafia might ignore trying to NK me.

Now I realize this strategy has some flaws, but they aren't terrible and having this strategy at least talked about gives us additional protection vs. the mafia because we have another mind gate option available. Mafia could kill all the people I list as possible friendly neighbor targets, but then they're wasting time not killing me or the real officer. Mafia could role block me or the neighbor, but then we know mafia has a role blocker. If officer finds role blocker or an agent catches them, we found another mafia yet again. Yes, there are other ways this can fail, and my entire mafia team could just fake this strategy, but real officer could always counterclaim to reveal several liars and we should at least discuss this option.
Spoiler for So what?:
Well what do we do with these scenarios. It's essentially going to come down to the who the real officer is and whether they're willing to gamble in blind trusting me. I realize getting others, not just the officer, to trust me is asking for a lot, but I hoping there's at least a couple planet sized brains out there. Or at least normal human skull sized brains.

If I'm the real officer, or the real officer trusts me to be town, then option 4 is in play and we can start looking for the friendly neighbor. Option 1 and 2 are also in play but those are boring and expected and at most I'll have a couple days to find 1-2 confirmed players before mafia kills me. Option 3 is always in play and I'm sure many of you are afraid of that. The meta play is to kill me. No more potential distractions. Could kill mafia. And even if I'm town, at least I don't hurt town any longer or split town vote through my divisiveness. This is probably the play. I'm ready to die but consider the possibilities.

Going off the last spoiler, meta works because it's all about odds and doing what gives the most favorable outcome the most often. But sometimes you need to gamble, especially when I'm playing the game. Because I change the odds, and none of you factor that in. Gotta go with your gut sometimes. Now I have a couple special messages.

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I truly wonder whether or not you think I'm officer. Did this just convince you that I'm not, or is this a cover up to make you think I'm not officer? I won't lie, I'm not sure which you think, but I know your team leans heavily in one direction or the other. The question is, is it the right direction? Honestly, I hope you respect me enough to attempt an NK on me tonight. You don't have the beloved Root on your team this game to hide behind. Keeping me alive won't be nearly as useful to you as you think. Respect me and kill me, or you will pay the price.
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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292079#msg1292079
« Reply #560 on: June 29, 2019, 09:03:26 pm »
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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292081#msg1292081
« Reply #562 on: June 29, 2019, 09:08:50 pm »
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