Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu

[Espithel]

This does, however, assume that grave robber and undertaker are in the game and not mafia, which is likely but not guaranteed.

Seriously, though. How do we stop this chaos-voting from happening again?

Because this?

Everyone should cast their vote before deadline. How do we enforce this?
Asking the entire town.

There were several reasons for this to happen, I will start with my own reason for voting late: hoping for a concrete scum read before the end of the day. I imagine many town were. Yet, when it gets down to it, expecting any concrete scum reads D1 was likely more than a little naive. As long as votes are spread out, they hold little meaning. This includes your lone vote for me: if more people voted for me and stated what kind of information you would want from me, I could comply. Spread out votes make no impact: focus them bright and early.

But here is the thing, what about people that are not very active? We want them to be more active, we pressure them with lynch votes to speak up. But when they actually speak up, I personally switched targets. So the question is: at what point does one switch to what kind of target? If inactives know you will switch after a set time, they could just choose to wait it out.

This is a pretty damn true post, but it doesn't answer the question. (Also, if inactives don't post, then they get lynched. If they do, and their posts are satisfactory, then they don't. That's how we deal with lurkers.)


@Annele/Naii (and anyone else who cares):
Now that we have a second day, who are you scumreading?

[Mobian]

First off, there are currently NO confirmed townies or roles, with the exception of moe, who had a sudden onset of death. EVERYONE is going to claim town, because claiming mafia is asking to die. I've read a lot of talk about D2D having a supposedly "inferior role". Again, we have absolutely no idea who might be what. We've only gone through 2 phases in this game, and not much intel has surfaced. Stop assuming shit!

Now, on the topic of inactives and unhelpfuls... we had some people who failed/chose not to vote. This helps NOBODY! There is no stealth role in this version, for the thousandth time! I will be treating anyone who fails to cast a vote as hostile until proven otherwise. The day phase lasts a whole 48 hours, there is plenty of time for you to cast your vote, even if you're not available for end of phase fuckery.

[Annele]

@Annele/Naii (and anyone else who cares):
Now that we have a second day, who are you scumreading?

Link's switch to dawn early on was kinda suss. Shock maybe but I don't think we should take the risk atm so he's saved himself for a while by claiming officer.

Wait, is a No Lynch seriously getting considered? I doubt you could get more than 4 people on that wagon, but 4 is possible.

I need to factcheck my maths with Shock.
So much of a nuclear explosion has already happened.

I need more time to think through the options here. I feel like we're going to get scum D2 regardless of if we lynch today or not.

I don't like Kae's actions here.

I want more time to think. More time than I have.

Didn't we literally agree on not bandwagoning one who's afk at lynchtime last game?

Yes, we did! Dawn aiiin't dying today!

Going through the topic again to figure out who started the no lynch (shock), what about kae's actions did you not like here @Espithel?

[Espithel]

The crux of it is how we went from this:

(Stuff)
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (3) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu

To this:

shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu

(This was ian's vote)

In the span of very fucking quick. If Dawn is mafia, this right here is when at least one of his teammates deflected attention away from him.

Couple this with:

shockcannon (7) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu

we are lynching

And:

shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13

damn, shockcannon might lie regardless of alignement here, but w3 is my bigger scumread, i suppose with shock "exposed" we should ask his findings?

You can tell that Kae really didn't care which one got lynched, as long as one of them got lynched. It didn't seem particularly principled.

If I was scum, this is exactly the sort of shit I'd be doing because, up until this point, that's what these overtime deadlines encourage. There's no punishment for trying to snipe the bandwagon as late as possible (funny because that's what the no-lynch crowd did - Tu Quoque I guess) so they're free to just do this.

I might be singling out Kae here - I need to look back and see if this behaviour is unique to him. Weakish scumread rn.

[worldwideweb3]

Espi, what do you make of ian? go read his posts and lemme know ^^

[Espithel]

I currently think he's town, but a very emotional and pretty ticked off town. Mafia tend to a be a bit more stoic and opportunistic because of the raw information advantage, so he's not acting in the way I'd expect a scum to.

If dawn is scum, his chances of being scum increase. He did say "I'll hammer" way in advance of the deadline, and he didn't seem to take advantage of it, so I'm pretty happy to say he's town for now.

Why do you ask?

[kaempfer13]

come to think of it it would have been sufficient to just remove my vote when no lynch was first threatened. as many have pointed out no lynch is almost never right and if it arguably is it's always bc of poor planning (having absolutely no idea at mylo (such that even having the least suspect person nked improves the odds) or having a strong conviction that all targets are town)
also i telegraphed my vote on w3 a long time, whilst shock was an ok vote since he was obviously off and he's generally hard to read (and prone to make dangerous moves, although it was actually his avoidance of that which made him sus). as such yh, i was fine with either from the information i had at the time.
I suppose since day 1 is random guessing an untelegraphed no lynch decision in the end is not too bad, since people still voted like they ment it so all we're missing is confirmation on the targets roles.

@shock personality changes are always sus, because its almost like sths different now - your role maybe or perhaps you have people telling you to make different decisions than you otherwise would (which both points to mafia here, although being officer explains your waryness too). It's why i tried to make it clear from the start that I was going to do things different now.

[worldwideweb3]

EBWOP: The dice have spoken. The following players are mafia: Calindu, Naii_the_Baf, MasterWalks, Submachine

Also sorry for previous double post. The forums are pretty laggy for me atm for some reason.

shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian

Why MW out of the 4 I rolled? I dunno.

If it gets close to deadline and there's any danger of there being no lynch, I'll hammer someone.

All of his random vote switching. Why would you switch from voting on me, to MW, on this reasoning, then going on to vote on dawn, and then switching back to me (and when he finally switched to me, he made it into a tie of 5-5 and he hates no lynch). Also, at the start, scum reading sub then not even voting on him, then randomly town reading him and voting on link because "24 hour night phases". Basically, putting a lot of lynch options out there and not going on any very strongly, hoping somebody would bandwagon on one.

[shockcannon]

You know kaempf, I think you're actually a lot more like me than you realize. The difference is you let others influence you too much. That's your weakness.

This voting phase went awfully and i might be part of the problem.
Sorry

Don't be sorry. You're always part of the problem kaempf, but you must learn to embrace it. Harness the power of chaos. Let it flow through your veins and fill your lungs. Reach out and take control of your inner strength. The others are trying to hold you back. They don't want you to know your potential. Don't let them hold you back. Take what's yours. Listen to your own voice. Let it guide your inner . You think you're binded by . Your past and future are connected. But that's just a lie you tell yourself. Change is real. Let it happen. Let your past burn in the and rise from the ashes, a new creation. I can feel it coming. You just have to reach out your hand. Trust me, no, trust yourself! Rise up and attack! Burn the others to the ground with your might! You're so close. No one can stop you. So don't stop yourself.

[worldwideweb3]

LOL

[dawn to dusk]

Reading through the thread and I need to clear up something. According to the forum click, 1 hour before deadline for me is 3am. I was sleeping at 3am.
I have no electricity at the moment so I'm unable to post much

[Mobian]

Reading through the thread and I need to clear up something. According to the forum click, 1 hour before deadline for me is 3am. I was sleeping at 3am.
I have no electricity at the moment so I'm unable to post much

No power?? Everything ok?