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worldwideweb3 · « **Reply #456 on:** June 28, 2019, 07:25:30 pm »

Quote from: MasterWalks on June 28, 2019, 07:18:34 pm

Ok TORB said i was unhelpful with a mancrush on shock. Shock is str8 ballin so i wont deny the mancrush but I cant really be more helpful at this moment.
Here is all the info i can give aside from a role claim.

I did not use my ability N0, i wanted to have a good target first. I used it tonight.

As for reads, I dont have much. Sub and w3 stand out as the most scummy. Espi and Linkcat are naturally scummy. kaempfer seems off compared to previous games but i think you can attribute that to him being more comfortable with mafia since this is his second game. I cant say i have a scum read on TORB or ian but i think they are worth watching closely. They seem active enough yet not too controversial. they could pass as mafia but i wouldnt put money on it. Shock and insig are acting normal but also worth watching. Nobody else has really stood out to me.

You literally listed all the high active ones as scums...

shockcannon · « **Reply #457 on:** June 28, 2019, 07:32:31 pm »

@mafia
I hope you know I'm smiling wide thinking about y'all discussing me right now. Others are trying to analyze what the best play tonight is. Or they expect a wild night with unease/expectancy for what's to come. But we both know what's going to happen. Sleep tight, wouldn't want to get caught sneaking around at night. And don't try to out mind gate me. Last game's erratic behavior was simply prep work.

@town
Don't read into my conversations with the mafia. Let us have our fun.

Also I really planned on just staying quiet this game and not giving mafia an easy scapegoat, like how RootRanger played out last game. But it appears you're addicted to me talking and threaten to lynch me if I don't. Ironic how I'm always told not to role claim or info dump, yet doing so was necessary to save my life this game. Ironic indeed. Or is it mafia orchestration? Also please stop tunneling me. It's only day 1. Tunneling me is more of a distraction than I am. For reals, don't forget about RootRanger last game. Literally the highest town read for like half of you last game, and guess what, he played all of you. Don't get played. MW gets played. kaempf got lowkey played last game. ddevans got played last game. Don't get played.

I talked today because we stupidly ran the last minute timer marathon thingy. For the future, I'm talking when I want to talk. Lynch threats mean nothing to me. I'll take my info to the grave if I feel like it's too early to share. I am serious about this. If you want to spite kill me for it, go ahead. See if I waver. Think I sound "scummy?" Great. A town that doesn't sound scummy is the scummiest of them all.

Submachine · « **Reply #458 on:** June 28, 2019, 07:36:21 pm »

Quote from: MasterWalks on June 28, 2019, 07:18:34 pm

I did not use my ability N0, i wanted to have a good target first. I used it tonight.

I feel it important to point out that he is not tunneling me because he used a role on me. A tunneling from MW indicated actual proof last time.
Unless he's trying to feed false information to Mafia, which would be clever, but then your tunneling will only be relevant if your role is revealed.

If you plan to shoot or strangle me tonight, go for it, but then agree to admit making a bad move if I flip Town. That's all I can do in this matter.

I am going to try one thing though. @MasterWalks: Can you imagine a scenario where I am Town now or is that not possible in the current situation? Would you be willing to drop your suspicion later if evidence or my actions warrant it?

MasterWalks · « **Reply #459 on:** June 28, 2019, 07:38:45 pm »

lol, i didnt target you

Submachine · « **Reply #460 on:** June 28, 2019, 07:43:47 pm »

Oh. But I thank you, because you made me think of something.

Drug Dealers should give silencing pills to shock, just in case a Mech Engineer would try to interfere.

MasterWalks · « **Reply #461 on:** June 28, 2019, 07:49:00 pm »

ok serious question. Why is everyone eyeballing and building strategies around shock? From what ive seen, he's only posted a handful of times and about all of them were shit posts. Is it because of his track record with mafia? Genuinely confused here.

TheonlyrealBeef · « **Reply #462 on:** June 28, 2019, 07:53:43 pm »

Quote from: MasterWalks on June 28, 2019, 07:49:00 pm

ok serious question. Why is everyone eyeballing and building strategies around shock? From what ive seen, he's only posted a handful of times and about all of them were shit posts. Is it because of his track record with mafia? Genuinely confused here.

shock roleclaimed officer

Quote from: shockcannon on June 28, 2019, 06:03:41 pm

You idiots. I'm officer. Whatever, lynch me. I'll put the hammer.

shockcannon (8) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13, shockcannon
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu

kaempfer13 · « **Reply #463 on:** June 28, 2019, 07:55:39 pm »

Spoiler for lynchlog:

kaempfer13 · « **Reply #464 on:** June 28, 2019, 07:59:03 pm »

Honestly i think the no-lynch train is squeakyclean, at most w3 and espithel are mafia imo and they look a lot better to me now. (its hard to lynch someone claiming officer, although mafia would be aware of it too)
This voting phase went awfully and i might be part of the problem.
Sorry

kaempfer13 · « **Reply #465 on:** June 28, 2019, 07:59:59 pm »

did I say and? I noted before that at most one of them can be mafia in the first place.

kaempfer13 · « **Reply #466 on:** June 28, 2019, 08:02:20 pm »

panic votes are much more likely to come from town btw

Espithel · « **Reply #467 on:** June 28, 2019, 08:08:34 pm »

Okay.

Let's do this in chunks.

Chunk 1: Why do we always lynch? Why didn't we lynch?
This one's mainly for Torb/Mobian.
The reason why we always lynch is very simple:
Lynching is the primary tool the town has of gathering information.
If we don't lynch, what the mafia does is they nightkill someone who we don't pay attention to - a 0-Information NK.
This means we have pretty much as much information to begin with as the previous day, and so the cycle begins.

Eventually, we have to lynch. It's better to start early because the mafia has less control over us that way, because the town is dictating the conversation.

...Did you catch it?
Plenty of shit has happened today!
We have:
-The odds of Shockcannon being mafia/officer/telling the truth to figure out
-So much going on in terms of Dawn, Shock, and www3's voting trains
-The rampant last-minute pressure that has to be stopped and looked into
-www3 existing

A lynch will happen D2, and it'll likely be based on D1, and I feel confident we'll get a scum. No no-lynch loop is happening, because we have all this information to unpack.

I want to stress that the circumstances where no-lynching is okay are freak - This is the first time I'd consider it in ages, and even this is arguably the incorrect play. This is not something I would normally do.

Which brings us naturally to:
Chunk 2: Deadline Voting
We need to establish some form of law or system that removes all of this last-second voting from the game.

In the last mafia, one of the best ways to let the town eat themselves was to not really contribute much, and then wait for the clock to run out, and then have so many major decisions of that day happen at that point.
It removes the town's ability to rationally think through their decisions, and the "we have to lynch" mentality, while true, massively compounds this problem.

In addition, it's not fair to people who aren't around during deadline.
How would Linkcat have reacted to this?
What about Dawn?
What about Naii?
Their contribution to what happened has been silenced, because they weren't here. This strategy has been demonstrated not to work in the past mafia. Why are we still doing it?

Everyone should cast their vote before deadline. How do we enforce this?
Asking the entire town.

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