Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu

[kaempfer13]

paranoid doctor only kills other people targeting shock and only if they make noise iirc

[Submachine]

And we should also agree on if the Officer is not shock whether he should counterclaim now or later. I think later is the better option, when he searched at least 3 people. If he dies by that time, we will know it's not shock.

paranoid doctor only kills other people targeting shock and only if they make noise iirc

But if noone targets shock and shock uses Raid, shock makes noise and shock dies. Or is that Mech Engineer?

[iancudorinmarian]

Can't believe you guys got talked into no-lynch by shock and w3. Laughable.

[worldwideweb3]

later obviously.

[worldwideweb3]

Can't believe you guys got talked into no-lynch by shock and w3. Laughable.

weird thing is me and shock both went for no lynch, when shock and i both had opportunites to lynch the other.

[Mobian]

You guys are taking a lot on faith. I heavily doubt shock's the officer.

[kaempfer13]

mech engineer roleblocks upon trigger if shock makes an action (and makes shock make noise anyway)

[TheonlyrealBeef]

Considering shocks initial post, his target was likely kaempfer13.

Can we no lynch?

It has been beaten into my head that no lynch is never a good town play, so it's unlikely.

That is what I had been hearing, so I dared not advocate for it, but... honestly? My best scum read was w3 just being his usual self, which is not much to go on. Just because it is protocol, does not mean I actually believe it to be the right move.

OPTIONS!

1a. Shock finishes observing his Night 0 target.
1b. Shock uses Raid on someone completely different.

2a. Doctor protects him. Next Night he dies. Safe, but only clears 1 person.
2b. We just SUGGEST that the Doctor protects him, but the Doctor miiight not protect him this Night. Then shock uses Raid next Night while he is ACTUALLY protected.

Second is risky, but doubles our net gain. It introduces an uncertainty for Mafia. They risk wasting a Nightkill if he is actually protected this Night.

Guard appears to be the easiest way for mafia to interrupt shock, and cannot be blocked directly. It will even open him up for a nightkill since he cannot be targeted by other abilities, and protective abilities are lower priority.

@Ginyu
For Haunt I would like clarification: it mentions up to two, is it not exactly two targets?
Furthermore, is mafia allowed to target one of their own members to get a guaranteed second confirm?

The latter would mean shock could be permanently blocked by haunt even this night.

[Submachine]

Didn't we literally agree on not bandwagoning one who's afk at lynchtime last game?

Yes, we did! Dawn aiiin't dying today!

Here's a thing that's been bugging me. Dawn was not afk 1 hour before the deadline, at which point he saw that he was top lynch. That's not even behind his back. That's why I don't like the reasoning given against voting him.

Poops, I forgot about Haunt.

[worldwideweb3]

lets make this night phase useful and acc talk about potential lynches for next day phase instead of waiting until the last hour of day phase and rushing.

[MasterWalks]

Ok TORB said i was unhelpful with a mancrush on shock. Shock is str8 ballin so i wont deny the mancrush but I cant really be more helpful at this moment.
Here is all the info i can give aside from a role claim.

I did not use my ability N0, i wanted to have a good target first. I used it tonight.

As for reads, I dont have much. Sub and w3 stand out as the most scummy. Espi and Linkcat are naturally scummy. kaempfer seems off compared to previous games but i think you can attribute that to him being more comfortable with mafia since this is his second game. I cant say i have a scum read on TORB or ian but i think they are worth watching closely. They seem active enough yet not too controversial. they could pass as mafia but i wouldnt put money on it. Shock and insig are acting normal but also worth watching. Nobody else has really stood out to me.

[Submachine]

Wait, Haunt makes noise. We are saved. Refer back to the OPTIONS I posted.

I feel like we deserve an explanation from shock why he haven't been active so far.



Anyway, with the options I presented, we got a chance that Mafia might not go for Shock tonight. In that case, I think PlayerOa would be their next target under normal circumstances.