Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu

[Submachine]

is Dawn your strongest scumread? (On that list)

I can't tell. I have only neutrals and townreads in this list. Dawn is a neutral.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

So, for the grand summary of my current reads, in order of most to least posts:

Spoiler for reads:

Spoiler for Submachine:

Slightly town, and mostly because:

I already told you: Gunsmith = instant confirm. If Town can avoid killing me, it will be useful. Otherwise it’s a waste.

Somewhere far away, Mafia is typing it next to my name that I have a non-weapon role.

Combined with a lot of discussion.

I really did not like the plan and what followed, but I guess you do not need to be mafia to come up with such a plan. Probably.

Spoiler for worldwideweb3:

Scum read. First, he goes full shitposting. Then, when people start pressuring him, he comes up with this post:

LOL here we go again. you wil regret killing me, if it comes to that. Theres no point in me answering those qs because those answers mean nothing to you. i know what i was looking for, you dont. If you have any of your own qs you wanna ask, go for it as i said.

Until finally giving an answer only to the most basic questions.
Combine this with:

There are legit benefits for mafia to have these questions answered.

w3 helped derail town with a discussion that benefits mafia, then does not follow it up with the conclusion that is supposed to help town.

And let us not forget about:

Its N0. can we stop posting so much? kthnx.

More posting/discussion = good.

Right now, w3 is not helpful to town at all.

Spoiler for kaempfer13:

Town. Generally helpful for town and non-controversial. He does not even have a single person trying to lynch him.

Spoiler for Espithel:

Neutral. Active in discussions, it's useful to have him around for an "interesting" perspective regardless of whether he is mafia. I cannot possibly think of him as town, as long as he is voting on the only person I can confirm as town to get lynched, however.

Spoiler for Linkcat:

Slightly scummy. Shitposts everywhere, barely anything useful for town. One particular post is of interest:

shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu

Just because.

Switching to dawn, causing a +2 majority on lynch count. This is really scummy to do for no reason, and will not be forgiven if dawn flips town. But this is Linkcat, so if dawn is mafia, he might actually have a really good reason for this, that he's not telling to protect his own identity.

Spoiler for iancudorinmarian:

Neutral. Funny posts, but nothing revealing or controversial.

Spoiler for MasterWalks:

Slightly scum. Generally unhelpful with a mancrush for shock.

What exactly can you plan to gain from pressuring shock with a vote? Intel? He aint going to give you intel lmao. Hes not useful until late game and he would just mindgame you and give you the run-around until you inevitably give up.

Spoiler for TheonlyrealBeef:

Town.

Spoiler for rest:

Neutral. Do not add much to discussions, generally agree or repeat what others say and do not stand out. They are all potential night kills if the pattern continues.

Spoiler for shockcannon:

shock is just being shock. Cannot tell if his weapon claim is a lie, a feint (actually mafia) or armed town. Generally, being town and credibly claiming you have a weapon should put you higher or the mafia night kill list, since you have a higher chance to be officer.

Time is nearly up, so time to go for my final vote, that of my strongest scum read. Insig is unlikely to respond, but with pressure being applied only late, this is not worth lynching him over.

Probably should not read too much in these early scumreads, I am just generally suspicious of people.

shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu

Will tiebreak for dawn > shock if a tie needs to be broken.

[worldwideweb3]

Mafia has no benefits to having those qs answered tho??
Having 15 pages on N0 when there’s no lynch or nk and hence nothing to go on doesn’t make sense. It’s just shitposting that means nothing.
Don’t make me dd of last mafia having to defend myself every round.
Don’t make it into a lynch between dawn and shock so soon, everyone is an option rn.

[Submachine]

dawn > shock

Sorry, I always get confused by this. Is that an inequality sign (target dawn) or an arrow (target shock)?

[TheonlyrealBeef]

dawn > shock

Sorry, I always get confused by this. Is that an inequality sign (target dawn) or an arrow (target shock)?

I'd favor lynching dawn over shock, since I'm curious about why Linkcat switched to dawn.

Mafia has no benefits to having those qs answered tho??
Having 15 pages on N0 when there’s no lynch or nk and hence nothing to go on doesn’t make sense. It’s just shitposting that means nothing.
Don’t make me dd of last mafia having to defend myself every round.
Don’t make it into a lynch between dawn and shock so soon, everyone is an option rn.

While you were shitposting, some other people were having actually useful discussions about whether or not to make noise, and how to use and claim roles.

I would not prefer lynching either, but both over no lynch. Just stating that if I switch last minute, it is to break a tie, and that with the current tie, that is how I would break it. I am not trying to imply that will be the only option by the end of the day, just the current.

[worldwideweb3]

The whole post wasn’t for you^^ it was in general

[worldwideweb3]

is Dawn your strongest scumread? (On that list)

I can't tell. I have only neutrals and townreads in this list. Dawn is a neutral.

Anyone who you’re reading even slightly as scum? Or is it just neutrals and slightly town rn for you?

[Espithel]

Right now, w3 is not helpful to town at all.

Do not conflate "town helpfulness" with "being town."
The goal of the mafia is to blend in. That means that they actively want to be helpful to the town.
In fact, this is my overall strategy as a scum: Be so helpful that you would never possibly want to lynch me. <3

Although, this is day 1. "You're not helpful" lynches are valid this early as we don't have good reads. However, they rapidly lose their worth, very quickly.

I think www3 is town, due to how frazzled he is at this moment in time. The general rule of thumb is that mafia like to hold back and play the field, while town has convictions. Even though they're retardedly weak and he refuses to elaborate on them, he does have conviction.

I don't think mafia would be this willfully obtuse, but I won't be sad to see him gone.

I'm going to calculate some odds with Shock in a bit. Please give me a moment.

[iancudorinmarian]

Someone move my vote to dawn

[Espithel]

shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (2) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu

Why, ian?

[worldwideweb3]

Espi vote w me, let’s not just have a 2 way ^^

23 mins left btw everyone

[Espithel]

Espi vote w me, let’s not just have a 2 way ^^

23 mins left btw everyone

Explain to me why Mobian is scum with your big boy words and I'll consider it.