Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu

[Calindu]

I think that Calindu, kaempfer and Linkcat (if not mafia) are likely targets for Nightkills, while I am getting a lot of tension already. Annele also haven't posted yet, so she might get modkilled. I wouldn't call us good investigation targets yet.

I agree that the Officer should avoid investigating players that have been getting heat during the day, but at the same time, it might be good to actually do it before they want to reveal.
I don't agree though with avoiding likely targets for Nightkills, mafia has shown last game that NKing players that don't really talk much and letting the more talkative players throw rocks at eachother is a good strategy. I believe that the Officer just not looking at an entire pool of players is a bad strategy.

So i guess I will call out Naii and Annele for being lurking scum.

I think you should know already that lynching inactive players that will not even try to defend themselves and offer information is a bad strategy in this community.

[kaempfer13]

You changed last game because you were getting used to mafia and because you started gaining attention. i do not like that you want to play how Linkcat expects you to. you should do the opposite, but I also dont really know how he expects you to play, I imagine its how TORB is currently playing

I still am and you too should strive to improve. Obv the Linkcat part (the opening post, not me following the other game) was kind of tongue in cheek and mostly supposed to mean I'll try to do better from the start.
If this  is gonna derail the thread based on continously defending nonindicative stuff, I might have to abandon my "always defend"-stance, if we are just a major distraction for the rest of town based on you nitpicking each of my statements. There is only so much people are willing to read about the same thing.

Oh, also:

It was obvious that my approach to the game would change. I already changed dramatically midgame last time, spent half of it dead while still following, announced vaguely beforehand while signing up that I'll play more "like Linkcat expects"...

You did really well last game.
Trust me. You don't have to change much.
Just improve your diction and use a few more paragraphs.

Well, my reads were impressive in hindsight, but i didnt do anything about the crappy lynches (even was part of the problem) and people didnt get a strong read on me until 2 people influenced public opinion after seeing gn investigate me. my pushes were probably rather lame too.

[MasterWalks]

So i guess I will call out Naii and Annele for being lurking scum.

I think you should know already that lynching inactive players that will not even try to defend themselves and offer information is a bad strategy in this community.

Not pushing lynch. Im pushing discussion. Lurking and inactivity are 2 different things. You can see who has logged in that day on the homepage of the forums. Both Naii and Annele have logged in since the phase started. I want them to talk.


Also, everyone thinks maf is going to NK inactives again. I highly doubt that will happen with these rules. I think orchestrations by going elbow deep on the noise factor is how they will play.

[Submachine]

Why are you absolutely sure you're going to die before the game's even began, Sub?

Because No Lynch is not an option and the biggest uproar was caused by my attempt to encourage an early Raid with the Officer. I barely got any defense on that one.

shock has talked wdym

Shock asked Ginyu once to clarify the rules. Dawn's only post was a meme and the same is true for Insig. Their posts barely have any substance, so it's awkward that you are defending them.

Lurking is too powerful a tool for the scum that it has to be challenged at all points in the game.

I agree with this. But their pressuring has to be constant, and not something that starts 1 hour before lynch deadline.

[MasterWalks]

shock has talked wdym

Shock asked Ginyu once to clarify the rules. Dawn's only post was a meme and the same is true for Insig. Their posts barely have any substance, so it's awkward that you are defending them.

Holy guacamole i made a "not serious" comment and here i am defending it every 10 min.

Shock is like Overdrive. He needs time to actually start working. this has already been stated.
Insig is quite every single mafia game he has played. He just sits back and makes terrible decisions without ever being lynched. Why would he change? Sounds like fun to me.
d2d whatever, sure ill call him out too i dont care.
Hell, anyone who has less than 10 posts is lurking scum and anyone with more than 10 is aggro mafia. Happy? everyone gets called out.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

I think that Calindu, kaempfer and Linkcat (if not mafia) are likely targets for Nightkills, while I am getting a lot of tension already. Annele also haven't posted yet, so she might get modkilled. I wouldn't call us good investigation targets yet.

I agree that the Officer should avoid investigating players that have been getting heat during the day, but at the same time, it might be good to actually do it before they want to reveal.
I don't agree though with avoiding likely targets for Nightkills, mafia has shown last game that NKing players that don't really talk much and letting the more talkative players throw rocks at eachother is a good strategy. I believe that the Officer just not looking at an entire pool of players is a bad strategy.

But discussing the potential pool is so much fun. By your statement for example, you are not actively seeking to dodge investigation, while Submachine seems quite adamant about not being targeted for investigation. If anything, it may prove to be a self-fulfilling prophecy by making him even more suspicious.

Okay, so, I planned to bring up another discussion topic for the Night before I got harshly interrupted.

Changing the subject does not help with that, either.

Lurking is too powerful a tool for the scum that it has to be challenged at all points in the game.

I agree with this. But their pressuring has to be constant, and not something that starts 1 hour before lynch deadline.

So put pressure bright and early by compiling a list of potential targets during the night to target during the day. One can switch away from them if there is a good scum read (alternative lynch) or defense. Changing a scum read in favor of an inactive late round should not happen, unless you ran out of potential scum reads.

So i guess I will call out Naii and Annele for being lurking scum.

Why Naii and not Dawn, Shock and Weeb? They all have an equal amount of posts and Espi pointed this out in a post that you responded to. Is it an overlook or are you suspecting Naii more than the others?

This is a really good point and makes me want to pressure them all the more if no posts come up. Sneakily removing choices is a really scummy thing to do.

[PlayerOa]

No way a lack of posting night 0 makes for a good scumread. Guess MW's intention is wanting them to speak up more than anything.

Lel ninja'd

[Linkcat]

Ya'll need to calm down. If there aren't at least two quality shitposts per page, then I will be very disappointed.

[Submachine]

I already told you: Gunsmith = instant confirm. If Town can avoid killing me, it will be useful. Otherwise it’s a waste.

Somewhere far away, Mafia is typing it next to my name that I have a non-weapon role.

[PlayerOa]

I already told you: Gunsmith = instant confirm. If Town can avoid killing me, it will be useful. Otherwise it’s a waste.

Somewhere far away, Mafia is typing it next to my name that I have a non-weapon role.

Only for one of us, though, unless he roleclaims. Do you think the Gunsmith should roleclaim with one confirmed town? Or should he hope to hit a second first?

[Espithel]

I already told you: Gunsmith = instant confirm. If Town can avoid killing me, it will be useful. Otherwise it’s a waste.

Somewhere far away, Mafia is typing it next to my name that I have a non-weapon role.

I think the devil is protesting too much.

You really need to learn to just accept that people don't like you and move on. You might get out of your self-fulfilling prophecy that way. (^:

[kaempfer13]

In case gunsmith finds Sub lying we can pretty much assume hes scum as town him shouldnt lie here. getting 1 mafia might be worth the roleclaim if its necessary, but only do it late if he otherwise wouldnt die and you found a weapon. If you confirmed him as town just subtly defend him within reason, but dont claim and dont make up reasoning that doesnt hold up.