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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1291542#msg1291542
« Reply #144 on: June 25, 2019, 07:37:00 pm »
Officer is not the only role that can confirm players. Gunsmith can also hard-confirm Town members. Not carrying weapon = Confirmed Town.

If you investigated me tonight, you would know I am Town for example. However, seeing how I will be on the stand tomorrow, it would require you to reveal, which is not worth it.

Okay, so, I planned to bring up another discussion topic for the Night before I got harshly interrupted.

From which pool should the Officer start investigating people?

The following is my opinion, which is to start discussion. If you disagree, that does not mean one of us is Mafia.

As the Officer slowly identifies his targets, both the Town and Mafia will be killing players. There is no use investigating someone if they are just killed by the Mafia next Night. So the Officer should target players who are unlikely to be targeted by the Mafia (inactive people and shockcannon). But there is also no use investigating someone who will get modkilled, so avoid the most inactive person on Night 0, then keep an eye out on who's likely to get modkilled. Furthermore, if the tensions are rising against a player, they are likely to get lynched next day, so unless the Officer is ready to claim, investigating them is also not something I advise.

I think that Calindu, kaempfer and Linkcat (if not mafia) are likely targets for Nightkills, while I am getting a lot of tension already. Annele also haven't posted yet, so she might get modkilled. I wouldn't call us good investigation targets yet.

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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1291543#msg1291543
« Reply #145 on: June 25, 2019, 07:41:33 pm »
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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1291544#msg1291544
« Reply #146 on: June 25, 2019, 07:42:30 pm »
Okay, I'm dumb, that's actually true.

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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1291545#msg1291545
« Reply #147 on: June 25, 2019, 07:42:44 pm »
No it's not. From rules: "Players with weapons are Whisperers"

Whisperers are the Mafia of this game. All Mafia carry weapons.
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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1291546#msg1291546
« Reply #148 on: June 25, 2019, 07:43:57 pm »
Yeah, I read that and thought for a moment whisperer is a role like any other.

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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1291547#msg1291547
« Reply #149 on: June 25, 2019, 07:48:47 pm »
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Okay I would like to point out a 180 personality change with kaempfer. Kinda weird.
Espithel is acting the exact same as last game. EXACT same.
shock is acting normal.
Is that not just how Espithel is, in general? I will not bother defending him, but I see no clear reason to suspect him, yet.

not serious
Everyone has commented something except Annele. Quiet=Mafia.
That logic seemed to work really well last game. For mafia.

I think that Calindu, kaempfer and Linkcat (if not mafia) are likely targets for Nightkills, while I am getting a lot of tension already. Annele also haven't posted yet, so she might get modkilled. I wouldn't call us good investigation targets yet.
I can agree to that. I am a first time newb, so there is little value in killing me early. Feel free to investigate me.

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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1291548#msg1291548
« Reply #150 on: June 25, 2019, 07:55:34 pm »
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Okay I would like to point out a 180 personality change with kaempfer. Kinda weird.
Espithel is acting the exact same as last game. EXACT same.
shock is acting normal.


Not sure if I spot a shade here. just in case in order to stay consistent with my previous statement:
It was obvious that my approach to the game would change. I already changed dramatically midgame last time, spent half of it dead while still following, announced vaguely beforehand while signing up that I'll play more "like Linkcat expects" (though I have no idea tbh, what notscum(?) Linkcat would expect from me; point is I'm trying sth different) and also follow Linkcats other game, so I will copy a lot of lingu and techniques from there. None of this says anything about my alignement and I probably nuked this point way too hard.

As for shock, normal for him or actually normal? He usually only gets going Day1 it seems.

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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1291549#msg1291549
« Reply #151 on: June 25, 2019, 07:59:32 pm »
Espithel is acting the exact same as last game. EXACT same.

This is what the cool kids call "being consistent." :^)

As the Officer slowly identifies his targets, both the Town and Mafia will be killing players. There is no use investigating someone if they are just killed by the Mafia next Night. So the Officer should target players who are unlikely to be targeted by the Mafia (inactive people and shockcannon). But there is also no use investigating someone who will get modkilled, so avoid the most inactive person on Night 0, then keep an eye out on who's likely to get modkilled. Furthermore, if the tensions are rising against a player, they are likely to get lynched next day, so unless the Officer is ready to claim, investigating them is also not something I advise.

I think that Calindu, kaempfer and Linkcat (if not mafia) are likely targets for Nightkills, while I am getting a lot of tension already. Annele also haven't posted yet, so she might get modkilled. I wouldn't call us good investigation targets yet.

There's a problem with talking about this.
There is no use investigating someone if they are just killed by the Mafia next Night.
What stops the mafia from killing whoever we think are good investigation candidates?
It it means they get to blank the power of the officer, that's just as good as killing the officer themselves.

It would be better, then, to investigate people who are in the limelight.
I would actually target you this first night, Sub. You seem a bit twitchy about Ian and www3 meming on you.
You're not really more likely to die then anyone else this coming day, but you're less likely to be nightkilled than anyone else because you feel like you're going to get lynched. No point nightkilling "safe lynch targets" (assuming you're town, of course...), after all.

not serious
Everyone has commented something except Annele. Quiet=Mafia.
That logic seemed to work really well last game. For mafia.

Lurking is too powerful a tool for the scum that it has to be challenged at all points in the game. The problem with the town last game is they kept changing their lynch targets at the last second repeatedly for absolutely no reason. It's also why you shouldn't bother preserving yourself, evans.

However, Annele is a face I have not seen in quite some time, and it's a day after night 0. I would be lenient on her.
Not only this, but Dawn, Shock, Weeb, and Naii are currently just as inactive as Annele.
Why did you single out Annele, Walks?

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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1291550#msg1291550
« Reply #152 on: June 25, 2019, 08:07:29 pm »


Not sure if I spot a shade here. just in case in order to stay consistent with my previous statement:
It was obvious that my approach to the game would change. I already changed dramatically midgame last time, spent half of it dead while still following, announced vaguely beforehand while signing up that I'll play more "like Linkcat expects" (though I have no idea tbh, what notscum(?) Linkcat would expect from me; point is I'm trying sth different) and also follow Linkcats other game, so I will copy a lot of lingu and techniques from there. None of this says anything about my alignement and I probably nuked this point way too hard. You changed last game because you were getting used to mafia and because you started gaining attention. i do not like that you want to play how Linkcat expects you to. you should do the opposite, but I also dont really know how he expects you to play, I imagine its how TORB is currently playing

As for shock, normal for him or actually normal? He usually only gets going Day1 it seems. This is true and I digress here

Im not forgetting Espithel, but I want him to respond directly first.



However, Annele is a face I have not seen in quite some time, and it's a day after night 0. I would be lenient on her.
Not only this, but Dawn, Shock, Weeb, and Naii are currently just as inactive as Annele.
Why did you single out Annele, Walks?

Well to be completely honest, I just noticed she is the only one at the top of the page with (1) post. I havent kept up 100% with this game.
Insig being quite is him "being consistent" like the cool kids, same goes for d2d.

So i guess I will call out Naii and Annele for being lurking scum.
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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1291551#msg1291551
« Reply #153 on: June 25, 2019, 08:12:57 pm »
Well I did say it's not something I advise, but I didn't say I am forbidden to be investigated. A Gunsmith can get instant results on me if he really believes I will live longer than a day.

I would not bet on it.



So i guess I will call out Naii and Annele for being lurking scum.
Why Naii and not Dawn, Shock and Weeb? They all have an equal amount of posts and Espi pointed this out in a post that you responded to. Is it an overlook or are you suspecting Naii more than the others?
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« Reply #154 on: June 25, 2019, 08:15:13 pm »
Oh, also:

It was obvious that my approach to the game would change. I already changed dramatically midgame last time, spent half of it dead while still following, announced vaguely beforehand while signing up that I'll play more "like Linkcat expects"...


You did really well last game.
Trust me. You don't have to change much.
Just improve your diction and use a few more paragraphs.

Well I did say it's not something I advise, but I didn't say I am forbidden to be investigated. A Gunsmith can get instant results on me if he really believes I will live longer than a day.

I would not bet on it.

Why are you absolutely sure you're going to die before the game's even began, Sub?

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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1291553#msg1291553
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So i guess I will call out Naii and Annele for being lurking scum.
Why Naii and not Dawn, Shock and Weeb? They all have an equal amount of posts and Espi pointed this out in a post that you responded to. Is it an overlook or are you suspecting Naii more than the others?

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