Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu

[moehrpi]

Does anybody else feel as if ian is breadcrumbing Agent with this?

How so?

I hoped you as the master pictionary could enlighten us. :|

[Espithel]

Nevermind, kids!
Follow the cop doesn't exist.

I thought I could use Strange Pills but the way it's worded implies that it's a permanent protection e.e

If we are going to use the police's raid ability, it should be on N2, when the Officer will know the primary roles of two people, allowing them to roleclaim with heavy information. If we do this, as much noise as possible should be created on N2 and only on N2.

EBWOP:
If we raid on N2, and the officer doesn't want to roleclaim on D3, then we should make a fuckton of noise.

The officer not roleclaiming is entirely valid.

[kaempfer13]

I cant believe that strange pills would last forever, especially given that it specifies that heals fail on the following day; otherwise there is a good chance our officer can relatively safely out themselves (dont do it unless Ginyu confirms strange pills are permanent!)

[Espithel]

Does anybody else feel as if ian is breadcrumbing Agent with this?

How so?

I hoped you as the master pictionary could enlighten us. :|

This is an image of a tunnel, responding to Submachine asking if Ian is going to tunnel him.
I believe it's a meme this early, although I don't like www3 and Ian being dismissive little knobgoblins in response to what Sub's saying. Not helpful for the town.

The image has not been doctored in any way from last game - it's a straight quote from my image, so there's no special hidden meaning behind it.

Why do you feel it's an agent breadcrumb? If you can articulate your thoughts, I could help you better.


Ian's a furry.

[Espithel]

I cant believe that strange pills would last forever, especially given that it specifies that heals fail on the following day; otherwise there is a good chance our officer can relatively safely out themselves (dont do it unless Ginyu confirms strange pills are permanent!)

See, doctor and strange doctor use the same wording:

Doctor

Heal (ER): Target any player including yourself. They are protected from the Nightkill and all abilities that would kill. Fails if the target was healed or given Strange Pills the last night.

Paranoid Doctor

Strange Pills (EoR, 2U): Target a player including yourself. They are protected from the nightkill, but abilities can still kill them. If any other players target your target and make noise, these players will die.

I read paranoid doctor without reading doctor. Biiig mistake. Ignore me here.

Still hate the wording. e.e

[MasterWalks]

So, kids! Let's have another interesting "how to be a bastard in mafia in N0" with Myrmiredon!

Did you know that if you make a post, you have around a minute before it gets properly uploaded into the forums?
If you edit this post during this time, it doesn't say it's been edited, allowing you to do all kinds of nefarious things. Not even the admins'll know if you did anything. Not even the who page defends against it.

Yeah. Ain't that creepy?

You'll never know what they said originally.

Calling MW.

Ahem

Oh this is super sketchy. Espi had options here.
He continues to use do it without telling anyone. Thats real Mafia spirit. He uses a tool bug to his advantage until told otherwise. The only thing this tool bug can do to rise suspicion is tell you if someone is sending a PM nothing because its ultra scummy. So this doesnt role reveal meaning the only person this tool bug is harmful to is Mafia everyone. The only people who wouldn't want this tool bug used is Mafia everyone. So Espi asking in public is super weird. He couldve asked sub Ginyu in private just as easy. But it sounds like he wants the tool bug banned to be used. His excuse? The spirit of Mafia.
Damn good excuse tbh. HOWEVER, asking about its legality in public is still really weird. It doesnt sit right with me. Espi doesnt sit right with me overall tbh. Lemme break it down into pros and cons.

Pros if we lynch
Mafia Kill
No more owo posts

Cons
Possible civ kill tho i doubt it.

Pros outweigh the cons.

Seriously tho, I got no reads. Guess I gotta wait for shockcannon to come in and sow in chaos seeds.

[Ginyu]

Both Heal and Strange Pills only last the night they are used.

[Mobian]

That was a lot to catch up on! Possible theory regarding officer protection... what if the doc and security guard took turns targeting the officer?

[Espithel]

That was a lot to catch up on! Possible theory regarding officer protection... what if the doc and security guard took turns targeting the officer?

Unfortunately:

Security Guard

Guard (ER): Target a player. Their ability fails and they cannot be targeted by other player's abilities.

The Whisperers (Mafia)

Their goal is to either kill all the Civilians or reach a parity at the start of the day. The Whisperers will perform a Nightkill every night. This is factional, does not count as an ability and cannot be tracked or blocked, unless the target is protected from it.

Doctor

Heal (ER): Target any player including yourself. They are protected from the Nightkill and all abilities that would kill. Fails if the target was healed or given Strange Pills the last night.

Paranoid Doctor

Strange Pills (EoR, 2U): Target a player including yourself. They are protected from the nightkill, but abilities can still kill them. If any other players target your target and make noise, these players will die.

At best, we can heal, then give pills. If we do that on N3 and N4, that gives 3 confirmed players. Which is a pretty large number.
This assumes that both the doctor and the paranoid doctor is in the game, and that both are town, and that neither dies, *and* that the mafia does not have vigilante/trap engineer/security/undertaker/grave robber.

The setup cost for it is simply too risky - we'd have to somehow confirm all these things in two lynches, which is just not feasible.
There is no follow the cop setup here.

[kaempfer13]

If officer claims -say- d3 after raiding the night before we get 2 mechreads instantly (assuming no blocks) and if both doctor and paradoctor are still around theyll heal in that order giving us another read in that scenario. If we find a doctor/paradoctor(assuming the former did the deed) who didnt heal when they should have they are also scum unless they were blocked.

[kaempfer13]

Oh, it's almost impossible to find someone is a doctor without them flipping except for when you use officers ability, in which case i suppose youll know their alignement soon enough anyway.

[MasterWalks]

Serious
Okay I would like to point out a 180 personality change with kaempfer. Kinda weird.
Espithel is acting the exact same as last game. EXACT same.
shock is acting normal.

not serious
Everyone has commented something except Annele. Quite=Mafia.