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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292581#msg1292581
« Reply #948 on: July 05, 2019, 08:12:03 pm »
Current reads from town to scum:
kaempfer13, worldwideweb3, Submachine, Annele, iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, vagman13, MasterWalks, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat

Spoiler for kaempfer13:
Extremely helpful for town with solid arguments, with bonus points for agreeing on many reads.
Spoiler for worldwideweb3:
With how Mobian was trying a killing blow at the last second, mafia just seems really unlikely.
Spoiler for Submachine:
No weapon claim before any sane mafia would. Slight minus for all the bad plans he has concocted, but seems genuinely interested in helping town.
Spoiler for Annele:
Slayer of Mobian. Though not very active, it's activity from not being around much. Not the scummy lurking when you could easily have made time to post kind.
Spoiler for iancudorinmarian:
Cannot tell if passive aggressive about not being acknowledged as town, or genuinely frustrated. Actions do not speak for town, but will give benefit of doubt over no weapon claim and details.
Spoiler for PlayerOa:
Generally faulty actions and lack of content posting in first nights and days. I see improvement and other people I town read, town read Oa, so I'll him him off easy. For now.
Spoiler for vagman13:
No activity, no read :( I'll give him bonus points for voting Mobian, though.
Spoiler for MasterWalks:
Putting the shit in shitposting.
Spoiler for Calindu:
Scum read by a lot of people I read town, in the list of people training w3 and in the list of omitting Mobian. Rest is already stated in my previous posts.
Spoiler for InsignificantWeeaboo:
Defending Mobian and trying to kill w3 for all the wrong reasons. General lack of posts, absolute lack of arguments.
Spoiler for Linkcat:
oh wow, maf really wanted espi dead.
With Mobian, dawn and Link voting Espithel, hrmmm...
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And now he makes another crappy statement on a very suspicious person without even giving arguments again. You know what? We'll find out if IW really is town soon enough. Linkcat seems to know far more than he should, yet refuses to give any reasons for his actions apart from the occasional orchestration. It's time for some answers. If IW is scum, lynch the cat next.
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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292586#msg1292586
« Reply #949 on: July 05, 2019, 11:41:19 pm »
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - Annele, TheonlyrealBeef, MasterWalks
Calindu (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian

Insig is being very strange this game. His quietness isnt that sus but his interactions with w3 are super duper off putting.

can someone fill me in on the Cal scum reads? Ive been outta the game for a bit. Will consider changing my vote if someone can convince me he is scummy.
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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292587#msg1292587
« Reply #950 on: July 05, 2019, 11:57:44 pm »
TorB, you're better off just Nightkilling me inatead of trying to shade me in thread.
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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292590#msg1292590
« Reply #951 on: July 06, 2019, 12:08:28 am »
MW is screaming mafia to me rn. Like a guy who’s Been sus on sub all game suddenly going on insig cause of some “interaction” when insig has only like 10 posts or so.

I don’t want a weeb lynch this phase, I think he’s just anub town with not much time on hand. I also won’t have much time before deadline due to hockey stuff. Avoid doing a last minute wagon change.

Kill cal MW or Oa.

Cal, MW, Oa and IW who do you think are the other two scums?

Ian you were meant to Make a post with reads.

Let’s not give it away now town, we are in a good position.

Vaggy, just vote w me k? :D
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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292591#msg1292591
« Reply #952 on: July 06, 2019, 12:23:23 am »
Cal, MW, Oa and IW who do you think are the other two scums?
I think its IW and one of the more actives; prob TorB, Sub, you, or Link.
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« Reply #953 on: July 06, 2019, 12:38:34 am »
Cal, MW, Oa and IW who do you think are the other two scums?
I think its IW and one of the more actives; prob TorB, Sub, you, or Link.

Ok, you have some explaining to do. Link is barely active. He has been shitposting all game and has same posts as you. Ian is active and you scumread him and now suddenly he’s not on this list? You town read me and I’m on the list? You’ve been contradicting yourself so much q.q
Someone go over all of MWs posts (kae?) And see if you get a maf vibe. Or a very bad town vibe.
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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292594#msg1292594
« Reply #954 on: July 06, 2019, 12:41:19 am »
Serious
Okay I would like to point out a 180 personality change with kaempfer. Kinda weird.
Espithel is acting the exact same as last game. EXACT same.
shock is acting normal.

not serious
Everyone has commented something except Annele. Quite=Mafia.

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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292595#msg1292595
« Reply #955 on: July 06, 2019, 12:42:08 am »


Not sure if I spot a shade here. just in case in order to stay consistent with my previous statement:
It was obvious that my approach to the game would change. I already changed dramatically midgame last time, spent half of it dead while still following, announced vaguely beforehand while signing up that I'll play more "like Linkcat expects" (though I have no idea tbh, what notscum(?) Linkcat would expect from me; point is I'm trying sth different) and also follow Linkcats other game, so I will copy a lot of lingu and techniques from there. None of this says anything about my alignement and I probably nuked this point way too hard. You changed last game because you were getting used to mafia and because you started gaining attention. i do not like that you want to play how Linkcat expects you to. you should do the opposite, but I also dont really know how he expects you to play, I imagine its how TORB is currently playing

As for shock, normal for him or actually normal? He usually only gets going Day1 it seems. This is true and I digress here

Im not forgetting Espithel, but I want him to respond directly first.



However, Annele is a face I have not seen in quite some time, and it's a day after night 0. I would be lenient on her.
Not only this, but Dawn, Shock, Weeb, and Naii are currently just as inactive as Annele.
Why did you single out Annele, Walks?

Well to be completely honest, I just noticed she is the only one at the top of the page with (1) post. I havent kept up 100% with this game.
Insig being quite is him "being consistent" like the cool kids, same goes for d2d.

So i guess I will call out Naii and Annele for being lurking scum.
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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292596#msg1292596
« Reply #956 on: July 06, 2019, 12:44:08 am »
Since people dont seem to think much of it, I'll explain why making an unarmed claim as  mafia is asking for death, so long as you cannot consistently deny a gunsmiths existence/ability.
Normally, a player has an about 50% chance of having a weapon. That doesnt mean much. its usually either a powerrole or mafia, with the former being more probable due to mafia making up far less than half the population.
Naturally, the confirmed town result is a bit more favourable, but thats not particularly relevant for the scenario here.
However, once a no-weapon claim has been made, being found with one is an instant bust. A sane villager wouldnt lie about that, so it must be scum.
As such it is always more attractive for a gunsmith to target someone with such a claim, making it even riskier when it's fake.
There is an over 60% chance of a town gunsmith existing (assuming Ginyu set up completely randomly) and mafia doesnt have access to anything fully confirming roles until after the officer died.
The closest things they can have to countermeasures for gunsmith is an agent hiding on the only person to ask for such a check and not seeing them visited by anyone and a security guard consistently targeting the 1 mafia that made the claim (cannot be themselves).
PlayerOa claimed after their security guard had just died and its extremely unlikely the last member is another guard (if its Oa he needs to find the actual gunsmith in order for it to work). He's basically never mafia.

I've taken off my tinfoil hat. We're not targeting any of Sub, ian and Oa until a gunsmith claim tells us to do so. It is good that the most suspicious people among us could clear themselves this way so we can find the actual mafia. Also, slight FoS at everyone keeping the PoE open and not wait for a gunsmith claim or extreme situation where we actually need to be suspicious of the people with such a claim since there is noone suspicious or neutral left. You're just asking for a misslynch.
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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292597#msg1292597
« Reply #957 on: July 06, 2019, 12:44:22 am »

Considering you are mafia, why would you kill moe?
Who are your 3 ideal mafia teammates?
Do you like playing as mafia or town?

1) Because he was town. Less town means more chance of mafia to win.

2) Espithel and Insig. I wanna see if its possible to overdose on weebiness.

3) Never played as mafia so idk. I think i would be bad mafia but im not great town so yea, dunno an answer to this one.

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« Reply #958 on: July 06, 2019, 12:45:31 am »
I'm thinking Linkcat and either Oa or MW.

Linkcat because he defended Mobian, MW because of the just revealed contradictions, and Oa because of some interactions with one of the confirmed maf that was previously discussed (if my memory remembers correctly.)
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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292599#msg1292599
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