Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu

[iancudorinmarian]

Alright, you guys figured out most of the stuff. I don't see how you still think this is a bad plan though. I mean, if you still scumread me, then I don't know what to say.

The idea is that I could figure out who the gunsmith is by inspecting the posts of the people that targeted me (assuming the gunsmith actually left some form of breadcrumbs, most likely through votes).

Of course, this plan requires people to trust me. If you don't trust this plan, than I'm happy to hear alternatives.

FWIW we’re starting to Rely  on gunsmith too much. He could be maf or there might not even be a gunsmith.

It's what I'm trying to confirm. If the said gunsmith exists, and later if they're indeed civvy.

And if you think as mafia I would trade myself 1:1, or even 1:2, then you're crazy.

Actually, I don't even need doc to protect me. If I get NK'd, the gunsmith can use his ability again next night as it would fail. And if that does indeed happen, then I guess I died protecting someone with a better role.

[iancudorinmarian]

EBWOP: The dice have spoken. The following players are mafia: Calindu, Naii_the_Baf, MasterWalks, Submachine

Also sorry for previous double post. The forums are pretty laggy for me atm for some reason.

Also, never forget the dice. Sure, it got one wrong, but the other 3/4 are likely right

[TheonlyrealBeef]

Alright, you guys figured out most of the stuff. I don't see how you still think this is a bad plan though. I mean, if you still scumread me, then I don't know what to say.

With Haunt taking priority over anything else, the plan cannot succeed unless you are mafia or the role claim is (considered) false (by mafia).

[iancudorinmarian]

Still, Haunt makes noise. That wouldn't be worth it for mafia at all.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

Or maybe moehrpi was right, and you're actually using hide on yourself while making a deceptive engineer claim, hmm...

Does anybody else feel as if ian is breadcrumbing Agent with this?

If nothing else, this theory should reduce the chance of haunt if you are indeed not mafia.

Still, Haunt makes noise. That wouldn't be worth it for mafia at all.

I dunno. You can even mask the sound with a drug dealer, right?

[kaempfer13]

Well, you know, the gunsmith part of it could have gone ahead without you roleclaiming and up till now there was no reason to assume youd be a good nightkill right now 8you probably still arent). I'll leave it up to the gunsmith who he wants to target (not that I could actually choose for them), but if my sudden paranoia regarding sub proves true he'd be a higher priority. truth be told I dont think our gunsmith can be expected to do better than trade 1:1 with a mafia and if submachine actually is mafia i think we need a roleclaim for that to result in a lynch. Btw, i asked Ginyu and unfortunately there are no refunds for abilities in this mafia. the full cooldown kicks in.
Also, i hope I dont need to mention that you shouldnt roleclaim publicly for our gunsmith if that part of your plan comes true.

[iancudorinmarian]

Blegh, didn't know about the no-refund. I assumed it would be the same as last mafia.

And yeah, of course I wouldn't just point out who the gunsmith is publicly, unless I have very good reason to believe they're scum. The idea was that maybe we could get some information before the eventual gunsmith is NK'd and not just have to wait for that to happen.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

This may also seem a bit paranoid... but I still think you want w3 dead, ian. Now that your role-blocking mafia buddy has dropped dead, night kills are finally at risk of getting blocked. You do not want that, you want the officer dead. Easiest way to get that done is distract doctor this night, and eliminate them the next. But that requires for you to know their identity.

I would rather see officer protected. Likely one of the strong towns without a no weapon claim, if you get what I'm saying.

I do not currently believe you are mafia, yet. But I do not trust you enough to give you a free town pass either. You are requesting an elimination of doctor protection for the exposure of their identity to you, when you may well be mafia. Tunneling w3 has done you no favors.

[worldwideweb3]

This may also seem a bit paranoid... but I still think you want w3 dead, ian. Now that your role-blocking mafia buddy has dropped dead, night kills are finally at risk of getting blocked. You do not want that, you want the officer dead. Easiest way to get that done is distract doctor this night, and eliminate them the next. But that requires for you to know their identity.

I would rather see officer protected. Likely one of the strong towns without a no weapon claim, if you get what I'm saying.

I do not currently believe you are mafia, yet. But I do not trust you enough to give you a free town pass either. You are requesting an elimination of doctor protection for the exposure of their identity to you, when you may well be mafia. Tunneling w3 has done you no favors.

Someone...speaking...in...my....favour?????? What has the world come to?!?!?! TorB really wants that GM battle doesn’t he

[worldwideweb3]

Also I’m having laptop problems so don’t expect too many posts from me from now onwards.

[iancudorinmarian]

Are you all wearing your tinfoil hats right now?

[kaempfer13]

Yes, i think at least one of my reads above the neutral line is off. And if so I would try to reevaluate sub, vag, ian , MW in that order (w3 has an extremely tiny niche for being mafia and if he has it we're not gonna find out unless we do things that are stupid 90% of the time); (note: it is extremely unlikely that both sub and ian expose themselves to gunsmith like that, so at most one of them is mafia). Atm I dont want to do anything rash with those obviously, but a gunsmith could check half of those for me, 1 of them right now.