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Annele · « **Reply #804 on:** July 02, 2019, 11:30:31 pm »

Quote from: kaempfer13 on July 02, 2019, 11:19:55 pm

I think he meant undertaker. If he didn't:
The fuck Submachine? This is the 4th plan you made that is just awfull!

Undertaker makes more sense. Friendly neighbour is definitely the best of the three in that case.

worldwideweb3 · « **Reply #805 on:** July 02, 2019, 11:58:15 pm »

Quote from: MasterWalks on July 02, 2019, 10:34:27 pm

Mobians modkill request should be ignored in the grander scheme of mafia. Speaking to him privately, that post had nothing to do with this mafia specifically necessarily, but more personal reasons. I digress from it and the rest of us should too.

Now, to offer something, here is my town read in order form most town to least town.

kaempfer13, w3, vagman, TorB.

Whys vaggy there

kaempfer13 · « **Reply #806 on:** July 03, 2019, 12:07:39 am »

Ok, time to update the lynchlog:

Spoiler for lynchlog:

Spoiler for Day1:

Spoiler for Day2:

MasterWalks · « **Reply #807 on:** July 03, 2019, 12:09:24 am »

Quote from: worldwideweb3 on July 02, 2019, 11:58:15 pm

Quote from: MasterWalks on July 02, 2019, 10:34:27 pm
Mobians modkill request should be ignored in the grander scheme of mafia. Speaking to him privately, that post had nothing to do with this mafia specifically necessarily, but more personal reasons. I digress from it and the rest of us should too.

Now, to offer something, here is my town read in order form most town to least town.

kaempfer13, w3, vagman, TorB.

Whys vaggy there

Because this is his first Mafia game ever and he is acting like its his first mafia game ever. He is not acting like mafia imo.

worldwideweb3 · « **Reply #808 on:** July 03, 2019, 12:35:30 am »

Isn’t it weird that link has never given a reason for his votes and no one has been as aggro w him compared to when I don’t give reasons owo it’s not fair I want same rights just cause he’s dawdy he gets away
Or maybe people just like cats who knows

kaempfer13 · « **Reply #809 on:** July 03, 2019, 12:48:57 am »

Quote from: kaempfer13 on June 29, 2019, 06:50:40 pm

Spoiler for Hidden:
Quote from: kaempfer13 on June 29, 2019, 02:21:27 pm
Readlist (in order of names at the top):

Spoiler for Hidden:
Spoiler for Naii:
everything he does is pretty Nai and its very little. A fair enough inactivity lynch, but I found nothing that moves the needle either way.
Spoiler for weeaboo:
If we got nothing better to do he's the top inactivity lynch. Absolutely nothing usefull here.
Spoiler for Annele:
What she says is sound and comes from someone who struggles to keep up with the thread. I need more but I wouldnt lynch her any time soon with the current information.
Spoiler for Calindu:
Agree with everything he said so far. he doesnt go the extramile, but ill give an n+ for now.
Spoiler for dawn to dusk:
I see no inconsistency with his behavior last time, even if the jokes arent exactly helpfull. he explained his inactivity with sleep schedule and he was also busy being about to die in puzzle plight as well (and he really wasnt that inactive after all, just had awkward easily explainable timing for being offline). The pushes on him seem to be part joke, part taking offense in him making jokes, part people thinking he was inactive and then not removing their vote in some time (also people remembering him being voted up and just voting him for that reason)? I see no reason to go for him, but I think we should look at the people that voted him (depending on timeframe voting him can speak for either alignement).
Spoiler for Ginyu:
decently active and makes sure we dont missunderstand the rules. Townread. Just kidding.
Spoiler for vagman13:
He wrote a fair bit of things, but i can't form a read out of them.
Spoiler for shockcannon:
Ah shit, here we go. i probably have the best shot at reading him so i shouldn't half-ass this. I think he's exactly officer or mafia. Him mentioning me as his primeread as both mafia and town, does seem like a telegraph of having used observe and awaiting results of investigate (I don't believe he actually targeted me btw).
I also cryptically mentioned that wanting a no lynch is ironically towny for him, since its consistent with his mindset from last game. He thinks lynching town is always a mistake and doesnt acknowledge the info we get out of a flip that people voted for (and the wagon they didnt vote for).
I have yet to decipher his final post (isnt that against the rules?).
Everything else he said would be kinda scummy if he were anyone else, but its mostly the things he didnt say that make him sus (why so out of character man? obv bc hes officer or mafia)
Spoiler for PlayerOa:
Most of the things he said seem to try and help town. i especially like his stance in voting, not killing of dawn in absence and not no-lynching.
Spoiler for Mobian:
huh, I didnt realize he posted as much as he did, his posts are kinda forgettable. I'm a little surprised by him wanting mw on his mafia team? cant really make anything out of that either though. there are some usefull things he did like getting people to vote. I'll stick to null here.
Spoiler for MasterWalks:
He wears his heart on his sleeve. Honestly, the mere fact that he doesn't seem to follow an agenda is enough for me to townread him. He finds everything people say suspicious so dont put too much weight on his reads.
Spoiler for TorB:
The most suspicious thing about him is that he seems to good for a first time player lol. I like everything he says.
Spoiler for iancudorinmarian:
Don't like the sheer volume of completely random votes. is he testing if anyone bites?
Said he was confirmable by gunsmith. agreed on sub being town fast.
said he missunderstood whisperer as its own secondary role. could be an act though. agree on his early stance on optimal play for officer. Yes, I read his posts backwards. and my read in total is null.
I wanted to make a complete list, but I ran out of breath and food. will finish this later. Linkcat and w3 are important to have a closer look on, espi and sub are leantown to me.

Alright, picking up where i left off:
Spoiler for Linkcat:
First thing I noted is that he seems to insists on being the first person to cast a third vote against a person, usually with no reason given. he did that last time as mafia too.
Requesting shitposts doesnt help, but is within his habit of playing unnecessary minigames.
Openly defends sub as the first person to do so. Also puts me as town (well, true). I dont like his votes at all. Townreads TorB. then gives the following reads matching and adding to his previous:
Town: TorB, MW, Sub, w3, shock, kaempfer
Sus: Espi, Mobian
I would like an explanation especially on his suspects (I largely agree on his townreads), but it seems connected to EoD actions.
I'm not confident on giving a read yet.
I know where i stand.
Spoiler for Espithel:
I like almost everything he says (still not sold on no-lynch, but fine). Some early joke votes. way more helpfull than he would need to be as mafia (tbf hes not getting tunneled this time).
He joined my push on w3 for the same reasons while also telling w3 what to do to help town. As scum he could've pushed a misslynch here, but his motivations look towny to me.
He shaded me a bit, but I dont believe in OMGUS (and I was probably not the best person to push just to get a lynch in as I'm acting as towny as i can imo, so no real motivation for scum to shade me in particular). Oh yh, I found him getting upset with w3 towny too.
I'm not confident enough to give him a full townread, simply because its Espi, but he's done way enough for n+.
Spoiler for Submachine:
Obv my townread was based on him asking for gunsmithcheck. Let's see if that is enough to hold up after isoing (sigh, he posted more than I did).
Recalling that staying out of arguments used to be mafias winning strategy. Sure.
Horrible officer strat. He thought he was everyones topscumread after the fact (leading to gunsmith).
Opens discussion for optimal officer targets to give sth to talk about.
Some shit posts.
He speculated on shocks role for a bit.
His panic in voting phase seems to have been triggered the most by shocks officerclaim, slight townpoints there as we want officer to be alive.
Slight shade on dawn and people protecting him. I think thats fairly irrelevant due to d2d being asleep at the time.
Given that i dont find anything scummy here I'll give small townpoints for sheer volume of usefull discussion.
Spoiler for w3:
Now , how do I see my previous scumread. My view on him improved, but let's see if it's enough to put him above the neutral line (which is about as scummy as it gets for my reads atm).
Funny how his intial predictions are one off of ians diceroll again.
requesting doc protection. NAI tbh.
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on June 26, 2019, 10:24:46 am
Its N0. can we stop posting so much? kthnx.
... worldwideweb3(93)
horrible advice btw, so i am glad you posted more after all.
There is the rqs which i found poorly planned out and potentially scummy. my real issue was how uncooperative he was though.
poor explanations for reads.
fair point about mobian not acting like he used too as town.
I like his reactions during voting phase, keeping haunt in mind under pressure (tbf mafia would be more likely to remember it and not claim), but his type of panic seemed towny to me. Obv with the only other lynch option being an officer claim no lynch was his only logical option as town. as mafia he could have gone for shock or even dawn.
He also looks better and more articulated today with valid reasons and clarifications. we made fairly clear we lynch him otherwise though.
Still not sure if I should put him at n+ just yet.
In summary:

Townlean (v):
TheonlyrealBeef
Submachine
PlayerOa
MasterWalks

n+:
Annele
Calindu
shockcannon unstable slot (considering his breadcrumps I think officer is more likely, even though per default he would be 4 times more likely to be mafia than officer)
Espithel

n:
Naii_the_Baf
InsignificantWeeaboo
dawn to dusk
vagman13
Mobian
iancudorinmarian
Linkcat
worldwideweb3

New reads:

Townlean (v):
TheonlyrealBeef
Annele
PlayerOa
MasterWalks

n+:
worldwideweb3
Submachine
iancudorinmarian
vagman13

n (here I bother with best to worst, but they are close):
Linkcat
Calindu
dawn to dusk
Naii_the_Baf
InsignificantWeeaboo

So what changed:
Up:

Spoiler for Annele:

Spoiler for www:

Spoiler for iancudorinmarian:

Spoiler for vagman13:

Down:

Spoiler for Submachine:

Spoiler for Calindu:

Additional notes:

Spoiler for Hidden:

kaempfer13 · « **Reply #810 on:** July 03, 2019, 12:53:25 am »

EBWOP: Obviously if our gunsmith has results on sub already there is no point doing it again, but if not I really need this spot to not be scum.Check him if you havent. He's still townleanish if you say nothing against him and will probably last till the end. If he's town thats fine by me ofc, but right now he's making plans to distract our gunsmith. I may be reading too much into it, but please make sure you have him successfully checked.

kaempfer13 · « **Reply #811 on:** July 03, 2019, 01:47:42 am »

Now lynchlog adjusted for my reads

Spoiler for kaevision:

Spoiler for Day1:

Spoiler for Day2:

Submachine · « **Reply #812 on:** July 03, 2019, 06:18:39 am »

Quote from: Submachine on July 02, 2019, 10:37:58 pm

Speaking of Warden, which role should a Town Grave Robber take for this Night?

I mixed up the two roles. >_> But the question still stands, just for the other role.

Quote

Link to post where ian asked to be checked by gunsmith?

Here it is, right after the No Lynch. I knew most Town members would not notice it.

Quote from: iancudorinmarian on June 29, 2019, 08:58:43 am

Feel free to investigate me with gunsmith or something. I don't have a weapon.

Quote from: kaempfer13 on July 02, 2019, 11:19:55 pm

I think he meant undertaker. If he didn't:
The fuck Submachine? This is the 4th plan you made that is just awfull!

I did mean Undertaker, yes. So I can rightfully ignore your second line. ^^"

iancudorinmarian · « **Reply #813 on:** July 03, 2019, 07:58:30 am »

Quote from: Submachine on July 02, 2019, 10:37:58 pm

Speaking of Warden, which role should a Town Grave Robber take for this Night?

Friendly Neighbor, Policeman or Warden?

I would like to hear iancu’s opinion too on this.

None, they're all bad roles for town.

iancudorinmarian · « **Reply #814 on:** July 03, 2019, 08:01:21 am »

Quote from: worldwideweb3

I would like it before the night phase ends please if possible.

No.

iancudorinmarian · « **Reply #815 on:** July 03, 2019, 08:03:25 am »

Quote from: iancudorinmarian on July 02, 2019, 07:41:38 pm

Also, requesting doc and gunsmith to target me tonight. I assume gunsmith used ability N0 and now they can use it again.

Also, don't forget this ^

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Annele

Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292393#msg1292393

worldwideweb3

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kaempfer13

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MasterWalks

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worldwideweb3

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kaempfer13

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kaempfer13

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kaempfer13

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Submachine

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iancudorinmarian

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iancudorinmarian

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iancudorinmarian

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