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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292213#msg1292213
« Reply #648 on: July 01, 2019, 08:18:13 am »
Gotta love it when you come up with a well reasoned plan, but it gets ignored and people just go for the old "pressure inactives" and "vague reads".

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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292214#msg1292214
« Reply #649 on: July 01, 2019, 08:23:04 am »
What plan? lynching w3?

I will cast my vote in the next 10 hours, I need more input before then.
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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292215#msg1292215
« Reply #650 on: July 01, 2019, 08:27:03 am »
I agree with iancu that www in his current state should not live to see the endgame, otherwise he will be a distraction from other players. I prefer to not lynch him earlier than Day 3 though.

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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292216#msg1292216
« Reply #651 on: July 01, 2019, 08:31:33 am »
I would like to note that if (if!) Mobian flips mafia that means that w3 is almost always innocent
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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292217#msg1292217
« Reply #652 on: July 01, 2019, 08:33:08 am »
Lynching me will give no info. Eod vote options became shock and me, both town. Mafia would be happy to lynch either. Most people were happy to hop on me instead of shock. Shock flipped town. It would have been diff if most people went on shock instead of me and then he flipped town. Currently we will find more info by lynching dawn really, but even then I’ve a feeling that he was town too so there’s 0 point.

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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292218#msg1292218
« Reply #653 on: July 01, 2019, 09:33:32 am »
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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292219#msg1292219
« Reply #654 on: July 01, 2019, 10:25:02 am »
"We'll lynch w3 later" is a joke. I've seen how this "lynching later" works. The person gets ignored and gets to live up to lategame. The same thing happened with shock last game, and what happened? Town lost.

As I've said, no matter what alignment w3 turns out to be, we still get info. w3's "You'll get no information from lynching me" is like a chicken saying "don't kill and cook me, I won't be tasty at all". I'd also like to remind you all that we're playing "mafia", not "survivor".

See, this is the main problem with mafia in this forum. If the person that comes up with the plan isn't like Link, Root, dd tier, it gets ignored. So far, nobody pointed any drawbacks in lynching w3, only that they have "better ideas". If your better idea is lynching someone that gives little to no info, then suit yourself.

Lynching:
- Mobian - w3 is most likely town if Mobian is mafia. Congratulations, you confirmed 1 civvy and got no other info. If Mobian is town, you get nothing.
- vagbuddy - literally no info regardless of his alignment
- d2d - Town? Congratulations, you get nothing. Mafia? Maaaaaaybe you can analyze some orchestration going on to save him, but he wasn't really in all that much danger of being lynched.

Anyway, this the last post in which I'm explaining all this. If you want to stick to your random vote spread and end of day frenzy O R C H E S T R A T I N G instead, then that's fine by me. But don't expect me to contribute any further if that's the case. I'll just sit back and enjoy the chaos you created.

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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292220#msg1292220
« Reply #655 on: July 01, 2019, 10:27:39 am »
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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292221#msg1292221
« Reply #656 on: July 01, 2019, 10:32:48 am »
Ian, I'm with you on that one, but if www is Town Officer or Gunsmith, I would rather allow him 2 investigations before jumping on him.
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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292222#msg1292222
« Reply #657 on: July 01, 2019, 10:33:02 am »
if Mobian is mafia we clear not only w3 but probably the entirety of the no-lynch train (provided mafia coordinated). Although tbf I was already heavily townreading it except for w3.
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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292223#msg1292223
« Reply #658 on: July 01, 2019, 10:44:36 am »
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I'm willing to bet at least two people who voted on no-lynch are scum. Annele and vagbuddy are probably town. A mafia wouldn't stick to an officer claim, even if it's shock doing that claim.

Now that shock and Espi are dead, there are only www3, Sub and TorB left there. Out of the three, w3 is the most scummy of them all imo. I have a slight town read on Sub and neutral read on Torb atm.

I still hold my opinion that both shock and w3 have to be dead by Day 2. If w3 turns out to be town, that most likely means at least one of TorB/Sub and 2-3 of MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu,  kaempfer13, PlayerOa, Mobian are mafia. I also think d2d is likely mafia as well. If he is indeed scum like I think he is, that gives us even more information.

Either way, w3 dying would give us a lot of information no matter what his alignment turns out to be.

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Regarding the original plan though, if www is Town, we do not learn that TorB or I are Mafia, as I'm pretty sure he is Town. It is not a mandatory rule that the No Lynch wagon has to include 1 Mafia. If you build your argument on this one statement, then lynching www is not any better than any other lynch, and the argument just falls apart.

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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292224#msg1292224
« Reply #659 on: July 01, 2019, 10:47:29 am »
I do appreciate the planning though. That's an added Town lean to your previous non-gun claim.
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