Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu

[worldwideweb3]

You guys really want the answers? Ugh, if it makes you think I’m town, here you go.
1. Kill moe cause he was the only one taking it seriously.
2. I’ll take vag link and kae as mafia.
3. Mafia ofc lol, it’s so much better.

[Submachine]

@www: Another thing that could have happened is that there was pressure on a mafia and you got votes to remove some pressure from him.

This is also why I still have my vote on dawn. It's only Day 1 though. The one strong read I have is a Townread on someone else.

I agree with www that not answering all questions is a slight town lean. However, all reads based on any RQS are super weak. Inactive people don't answer naturally, so that's not indicative of anything. If you say that you put your vote on anyone who doesn't answer, that also skews the reads. And if the questions are harmless to answer, then it's also not indicative of anything, because anyone will answer them if they have the time.

At least www promoted some activity and it's also his first game in a while, so I'll leave him be for now.

[Calindu]

Good, that wasn't so hard, was it? Now let's try to get the inactive players to be more communicative.

shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu

[Linkcat]

shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu

Just because.

[vagman13]

shockcannon (2) - Annele , vagman13
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu


Inactive gets my nutkick.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

Good, that wasn't so hard, was it? Now let's try to get the inactive players to be more communicative.

For added pressure.

shockcannon (2) - Annele, vagman13
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef

[kaempfer13]

Honestly, I'm still not satisfied with w3. It took way too much effort to have him go along with his own plan (!) and explain himself.
Also, skimming several old threads I have yet to find any parallel to his questionnaire. if his intention was to draw parallels, shouldnt he make sure beforehand that at least one mafia has a questionnaire of the kind? Obv, I might just not have found it, in which case i wish to be pointed to the mafiagame in question.
Additionally, I found his reaction similiar to how it was when he was shaded this early in mafia 68, in which he turned out to actually belong to the faction he was accused of being part of (although things were a lot more explicitly stated and pushed then).

I'll also note that it is extra unlikely that both espi and w3 are mafia and if its one of them it looks to be w3 atm.

[worldwideweb3]

Honestly, I'm still not satisfied with w3. It took way too much effort to have him go along with his own plan (!) and explain himself.
Also, skimming several old threads I have yet to find any parallel to his questionnaire. if his intention was to draw parallels, shouldnt he make sure beforehand that at least one mafia has a questionnaire of the kind? Obv, I might just not have found it, in which case i wish to be pointed to the mafiagame in question.
Additionally, I found his reaction similiar to how it was when he was shaded this early in mafia 68, in which he turned out to actually belong to the faction he was accused of being part of (although things were a lot more explicitly stated and pushed then).

I'll also note that it is extra unlikely that both espi and w3 are mafia and if its one of them it looks to be w3 atm.

I was hoping there would be mafs where this was asked as its a simple q. In a quick look, maf 50 it was asked in, I didn’t have time to look thru everything. Ah mafia 68. I was a cop then. And town lynched me. Great stuff, wasn’t it?

[kaempfer13]

@www: Another thing that could have happened is that there was pressure on a mafia and you got votes to remove some pressure from him.
With at most 2 votes on everyone? no way; additionally w3 got FoSed by 2 people who didnt even vote for him (one of them being me)
I agree with www that not answering all questions is a slight town lean Uh, how so?. However, all reads based on any RQS are super weak. Inactive people don't answer naturally, so that's not indicative of anything. If you say that you put your vote on anyone who doesn't answer, that also skews the reads. And if the questions are harmless to answer, then it's also not indicative of anything, because anyone will answer them if they have the time.

At least www promoted some activity and it's also his first game in a while, so I'll leave him be for now.

Sure it isn't much, but i think at the moment we can either get rid of some random deadweight that will be guaranteed to be town (if we're like 'I dont care which inactive gets hit so long as it narrows our Process of elimination' the mafia decides which inactive itll be in the end )(Narrowing the PoE is technically good and thus not necessarily terrible even if its always town, however its probably better to focus on one particular inactive and waver only if it's impossible to get them lynched or they actually respond, if we are going with that approach). or see whats up with w3 at the risk of just getting rid of an active town if I'm wrong here.

@w3 It wasnt cop btw, you were some other faction that would win over the other 2 factions if they guessed all secondaries in the game correctly and thus town would have to eliminate you at some point.

[worldwideweb3]

@www: Another thing that could have happened is that there was pressure on a mafia and you got votes to remove some pressure from him.
With at most 2 votes on everyone? no way; additionally w3 got FoSed by 2 people who didnt even vote for him (one of them being me)
I agree with www that not answering all questions is a slight town lean Uh, how so?. However, all reads based on any RQS are super weak. Inactive people don't answer naturally, so that's not indicative of anything. If you say that you put your vote on anyone who doesn't answer, that also skews the reads. And if the questions are harmless to answer, then it's also not indicative of anything, because anyone will answer them if they have the time.

At least www promoted some activity and it's also his first game in a while, so I'll leave him be for now.

Sure it isn't much, but i think at the moment we can either get rid of some random deadweight that will be guaranteed to be town (if we're like 'I dont care which inactive gets hit so long as it narrows our Process of elimination' the mafia decides which inactive itll be in the end )(Narrowing the PoE is technically good and thus not necessarily terrible even if its always town, however its probably better to focus on one particular inactive and waver only if it's impossible to get them lynched or they actually respond, if we are going with that approach). or see whats up with w3 at the risk of just getting rid of an active town if I'm wrong here.

@w3 It wasnt cop btw, you were some other faction that would win over the other 2 factions if they guessed all secondaries in the game correctly and thus town would have to eliminate you at some point.

Yes and my role was cop. You need to read the whole mafia again because you clearly
Don’t get all of it.

[worldwideweb3]

Also, town and the third party could both win at the same time that game, iirc. One of us had to survive till end and know the roles, town just had to kill mafia. So yh you wrong nub

[kaempfer13]

If mafia had the role officer would you let them live? Ofc not. Clearly you are misrepresenting things. All I wanted from you was to answer honestly and give town all of your thoughts, but you continue to trigger my suspicions unnecessarily and actively withhold your reasoning.


I dont think that was cleared up that way; at least town thought that whoever gets their wincon first would be the sole winning faction and thus getting rid of you wasnt a bad move, though asking a mod could have been appropriate.