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Who played the best mafia?

iancudorinmarian
0 (0%)
Linkcat
9 (15.5%)
PlayerOa
0 (0%)
JonathanCrazyJ
0 (0%)
immortal_feud
0 (0%)
kaempfer13
9 (15.5%)
ddevans96
8 (13.8%)
dawn to dusk
0 (0%)
InsignificantWeeaboo
0 (0%)
Espithel
4 (6.9%)
MasterWalks
1 (1.7%)
Mobian
1 (1.7%)
mathman101
0 (0%)
RootRanger
6 (10.3%)
shockcannon
6 (10.3%)
Ginyu
9 (15.5%)
Calindu
5 (8.6%)
moehrpi
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 19

Voting closed: June 24, 2019, 11:12:55 am

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Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67178.msg1290450#msg1290450
« Reply #744 on: June 03, 2019, 10:21:15 pm »
GA is also worth protecting ofc and  probably some other roles too, disregard that part
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Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67178.msg1290451#msg1290451
« Reply #745 on: June 03, 2019, 10:37:14 pm »
[03:34:44 PM] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@iancudorinmarian› you guys got a dead town discord yet?
[03:34:57 PM] ‹iancudorinmarian› It's a pad.
[3:35:03 PM] shockcannon left.
[03:35:00 PM] ‹iancudorinmarian› Discord sucks.
[03:35:11 PM] ‹MasterWalks› Okay I'll be there soon
[03:35:34 PM] ‹iancudorinmarian› It's a wonderful place.
[03:35:42 PM] ‹Calindu› We never had a dead towns pad before, or at least I don't remember
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(6d10) 6 + 1 + 8 + 1 + 5 + 3 = 24 ...
[03:35:58 PM] ‹Calindu› @Espithel: NK me please, I wanna see the pad
[3:36:03 PM] Mobian left.
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[03:36:18 PM] ‹Espithel› ‹@Calindu› No. :^)

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Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67178.msg1290457#msg1290457
« Reply #746 on: June 04, 2019, 02:06:48 am »
Quick post before going to sleep.

Knowing that Espithel is mafia, his attack on Mobian is a lot less viable now. Although most of his points still stand, the fact that he made his post only 10 hours prior to the lynch while shockcannon was about to get lynched, makes me think he was simply trying to save his comrade in exchange for any town who seemed to be easy prey. I know bussing and all the likes exist, but I do not think this is what we have here - at this stage of the game, such gambits simply are not necessary for mafia. He didn't mind people going for moehrpi instead because that still achieved his goal of saving shock. I don't know why Espithel confessed immediately without trying to counterclaim, but I guess we should take whatever we are given.

I consider Mobian to be "likely town" and shock moves from "bad town, maybe mafia" to "likely mafia".
ddevans not voting for Mobian while being threatened by Espithel makes sense. Targeting moehrpi is still weird, not just from dd but in general. However, I do wonder how dd is so sure of shock being town that he prefers voting on inactive people, either led by himself or blindly following someone else, especially as he was not pressured that day.
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Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67178.msg1290459#msg1290459
« Reply #747 on: June 04, 2019, 02:44:42 am »
Targeting moehrpi is still weird, not just from dd but in general. However, I do wonder how dd is so sure of shock being town that he prefers voting on inactive people, either led by himself or blindly following someone else, especially as he was not pressured that day.

I supported the moe lynch over shock because, by this time, I had realized what Link's play could be. If I moved train to shock, who I supported all game, he would portray it as me defending moe, my 'mafia buddy', and just serve to make me look more suspicious, and potentially lynched. Since I'm the only one I know for sure is town, I decided to take the bait.

If you're wondering, by that time, I no longer had a strong town read on shock.

I did indeed feel pressured, as I was still a viable lynch candidate under discussion. As far as I'm concerned, all three lynches have been done to save myself, but not the specific targets - I gave others a choice for the first one, was largely ignored for the second (I preferred IW), and did not feel like I was given a fair choice for the third (Espi threatened to lynch me if I attempted to lynch Mobian, and the above for shock)

Additionally, I did not consider moe inactive. He was one of my stronger town reads at that time. Here was my reads list from about 16 hours prior - in the intervening time, moe would have moved up a tier.
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Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67178.msg1290460#msg1290460
« Reply #748 on: June 04, 2019, 03:05:24 am »
I will concede that, if I were indeed mafia, and assuming we hadn't looked at jcj's role or targeted him for the NK (in which case it would be a horrible lynch for mafia to push, it made me look extremely suspicious and it would have been a likely NK instead), me giving people a choice between dawn or jcj wouldn't matter, so that's not really a valid defense for me. But since I'm not mafia, that's moot.
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Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67178.msg1290464#msg1290464
« Reply #749 on: June 04, 2019, 07:38:06 am »
I realy don't have time for mafia today, I probably won't be able to make any big posts for like 24 hours.
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Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67178.msg1290467#msg1290467
« Reply #750 on: June 04, 2019, 08:14:41 am »
Here's the deal. From now on, if I see any unposted chat log about mafia, I will modkill all players involved in that chat log at the end of the phase.

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Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67178.msg1290468#msg1290468
« Reply #751 on: June 04, 2019, 09:12:29 am »
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Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67178.msg1290477#msg1290477
« Reply #752 on: June 04, 2019, 02:03:21 pm »
I reevaluate my ranking of Linkcat to n+ , that of RootRanger to n-.
Things to consider: Linkcat targeted dd r1 who supposedly didnt use his ability and yet found it save to announce to everyone, that at least one ffq is around.  It makes no sense for both to be mafia. In fact i consider it possible both are town after all.
 Espithel was considered a walking corpse by Mafia immediately, so him bussing dd doesnt make sense from the original purpose of bussing as it wont clear his name if it succeeds, which it almost did ( some Wifom applies).
I feel like Linlcats reactions were genuine too.
Meanwhile RootRanger follows a strategy that just cant workout for town with so many people having gone rogue. In fact nearly all of my townreads come from plays  that are bad for town, but simply make no sense for mafia at all (not even on layers of wifom).
With only 1 lynch away from Lylo,  Espithel pushing for Mobian lynch (before having his identity revealed) pretty much confirms Mobian as Town.
Conversely however, mafia protecting town shockcannon makes perfect sense, as he will always attract our attention and be a major burden to us. If it were round 1 I might approve of lynching him for that alone, but we are at the endstage now. I have decent interaction history with him and his dissappointment with the result of his gambit is genuine. Hes town, believe me. The worst one ever, but at this point you need his headcount more than a stop to his habits.   
As for the people in yellow in my other post you are likely mafia, but if you trust my judgement and are town you are but one or 2 steps away from solving this Puzzle. Ofc everyone should take what you say with a grain of salt.
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Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67178.msg1290478#msg1290478
« Reply #753 on: June 04, 2019, 02:28:59 pm »
The first information dump after you get a scum is always the most frantic, no?

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Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67178.msg1290480#msg1290480
« Reply #754 on: June 04, 2019, 02:52:48 pm »
I'll elaborate on Linkcat possibly being town a bit more. Calindu confirms he targeted me at the same time mw did and so does he Ofc, but im making this point in case you are not convinced. At that point he had scumread me and my defense somehow wasnt enough for him, yet his attitude about me changed after that night, when he had to assume there was an about 50% chance of me being gn. If he knew I was town all along I doubt he would have seen that necessary at all.
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Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67178.msg1290481#msg1290481
« Reply #755 on: June 04, 2019, 02:55:22 pm »
Ebwob ok Calindu cant know if Linkcat targeted me in particular, but it is still likely and clearly wasnt planned in advance.
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