[14:52:52] ‹MasterWalks› Hol up
[14:52:57] ‹MasterWalks› Coffee posted today
[14:53:01] ‹MasterWalks› he shouldnt get modkill
[14:55:33] ‹Coffeeditto› I posted every day
[14:55:41] ‹Coffeeditto› I think it has something to do with my not voting
[14:57:12] ‹MasterWalks› Thats not against rules at all
[14:57:17] ‹Coffeeditto› oh.
[14:57:23] ‹Coffeeditto› maybe I didn't post every day
[14:57:30] ‹MasterWalks› Graboid would be modkilled every game
[14:57:40] ‹Coffeeditto› right
[14:58:36] ‹MasterWalks› I think you missed 2 days but still, you posted today. He cant modkill you mid phase for inactivity. If he was going to modkill it needed to be done last phase
[14:58:55] ‹Coffeeditto› I also have been submitting actions every night
[15:01:55] ‹Espithel› That
[15:02:01] ‹Espithel› That right there is seriously important
[15:03:04] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› nubmachine
[15:04:24] ‹ddevans96› testing deck
[15:04:27] ‹ddevans96› draw no novas for three games
[15:04:30] ‹ddevans96› then draw four novas
[15:04:33] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Espithel› I'm a 2nd iridium warden. I target root the first night, who was targetted by Golden Nymph. Due to this, I think that shock is actually golden nymph, as he softed targeting root n1 a while back. Night 2, I targeted Link and nothing happened. Night 3, I targeted insig and nothing happened, but I got targeted by Adrenaline.
[15:04:41] ‹ddevans96› feelsElements
[15:06:04] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› woah
[15:06:09] ‹Espithel› OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH BOY
[15:06:15] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› woah woah woah
[15:08:36] ‹Espithel› THAT'S SOME SERIOUS INFORMATION RIGHT THERE
[15:10:00] ‹ddevans96› tfw someone who should have been modkilled gives game changing information
[15:10:10] ‹Espithel› Oh BOY
[15:10:25] ‹Espithel› Sub IS a bastard mod
[15:10:26] ‹Coffeeditto› tfw the rules on modkilling aren't fleshed out properly
[15:10:32] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[15:10:57] ‹ddevans96› 8. If you do not post for three consecutive phases, you will be modkilled.
[15:11:05] ‹ddevans96› I think it's a dumb rule, tbh, but it's pretty clear
[15:11:59] ‹Espithel› His last post was on day 1
[15:12:03] ‹Espithel› Night 1, Day 2, Night 2
[15:12:06] ‹Espithel› Should've been modkilled.
[15:12:12] ‹ddevans96› yes
[15:13:01] ‹MasterWalks› hooooly shit
[15:13:14] ‹MasterWalks› Thats some juicy stuff right there
[15:13:28] ‹MasterWalks› At least he got it out before getting killed
[15:13:45] ‹ddevans96› I mean...it's out in the open now, nothing we can really do except pretend he said it at the end of night 2
[15:14:50] ‹Coffeeditto› so should I have acted as dead before being declared dead?
[15:15:04] ‹Espithel› What I'm gonna say
[15:15:12] ‹Espithel› Is no one should post in mafia until Sub/Link's sorted this out.
[15:15:15] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› another issue with allowing chat is, is it fine if you chat post within the three phases?
[15:15:30] ‹Espithel› ‹@Guest-Vulture-4afa1› AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[15:15:34] ‹Espithel› DON'T
[15:15:38] ‹Espithel› DON'T MAKE ME THINK ABOUT IT
[15:15:41] ‹ddevans96› I asked Link, and he said the rule was clear, it must be post
[15:15:41] ‹Espithel› NO
[15:15:43] ‹Espithel› PLEASE NO
[15:16:51] ‹ddevans96› (again, I disagree with the rule, I think if you're using abilities/talking in chat you shouldn't be modkilled - but that is the rule)
[15:17:45] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› oh wells
[15:18:21] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› lets just not riot too much about it and get too angry xd
[15:18:41] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› whatever the decision sub/link decide
[15:19:58] ‹Espithel› So, yeah.
[15:20:09] ‹Espithel› I think we shouldn't talk about mafia until Link/Sub's sorted it out. Is that controversial?
[15:20:31] ‹Espithel› Because DC was the one who should've modkilled Coffee
[15:20:45] ‹Espithel› This might have the potential to end the game on the spot.
[15:21:22] ‹Coffeeditto› was the phase shorter than usual?
[15:21:40] ‹ddevans96› no, they've all been two days
[15:23:45] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› honestly, id still just carry on w the mafia, its not a massive thing. yh its in the rules, but theres a bit of common sense too. If sub/link modkill coffee, let that be and just play as normal tbh. just my 2 cents
[15:24:09] ‹RootRanger› Eh, "post" could be interpreted to also mean PM to host
[15:24:19] ‹RootRanger› Guest is shock, right?
[15:24:26] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› no
[15:24:32] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› its me ww3
[15:24:35] ‹RootRanger› rip lol
[15:24:43] ‹RootRanger› Anyways
[15:24:54] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› dw you dont get to have fun roast battles rn
[15:24:58] ‹RootRanger› Pretty sure this means shock is caught in another lie unless I missed something in the rules
[15:25:34] ‹RootRanger› He claimed he targeted ian night 1, right?
[15:26:08] ‹RootRanger› Or night 0, makes no difference really
[15:26:24] ‹RootRanger› If GN was roleblocked N0 and targeted ian N1, it would be on cooldown N2 (shock says he was roleblocked)
[15:26:37] ‹Coffeeditto› No hold up
[15:26:38] ‹RootRanger› So this is literally the *second* time *this round* that civ information has proven shock was lying
[15:26:47] ‹RootRanger› (unless I'm missing something)
[15:27:07] ‹Coffeeditto› he is claiming he is mind flayer and targeted moerphi n0
[15:27:23] ‹RootRanger› I guess Fate Egg GN is a possibility albeit unlikely
[15:27:32] ‹RootRanger› shockcannon is claiming mind flayer now?
[15:27:42] ‹RootRanger› Ofc
[15:27:46] ‹ddevans96› he claimed Flayer, then GN, then Flayer again
[15:27:53] ‹RootRanger› Lovely
[15:27:55] ‹Espithel› f u c k i n g h e l l
[15:28:16] ‹RootRanger› This is like textbook criteria for me to lynch someone
[15:28:24] ‹RootRanger› 1.) random lies to give cover for mafia to lie
[15:28:29] ‹RootRanger› (or he's mafia)
[15:28:39] ‹RootRanger› 2.) roleblocking civs to benefit mafia (or he's mafia)
[15:28:58] ‹RootRanger› 3.) fake claiming GN to solicit a counterclaim in order to reveal the actual GN to mafia
[15:29:19] ‹RootRanger› The sad thing is, all this considered, I'd say it's at best a 50/50 that he's actually mafia. He could just be playing really, really, really poorly
[15:29:48] ‹Coffeeditto› No, because he might be lying again in this way:
[15:30:18] ‹Coffeeditto› he might have revealed he was really golden nymph and all the info he got but then acted like he was lying to protect him from getting killed by the mafia
[15:30:19] ‹Espithel› Honourary Fifth!
[15:30:19] ‹kaempfer13› shocks chanxes of being mafia are always 1/5th it wont change anything about his playstyle
[15:30:29] ‹RootRanger› If we have the mentality that civs can just spew out random lies, we give mafia the same privilege
[15:30:51] ‹MasterWalks› Oh wait, i wasnt supposed to talk until sub and link do huh
[15:30:53] ‹RootRanger› He is benefiting mafia in almost everything he does
[15:31:05] ‹RootRanger› That makes it an obvious choice, even if it's the usual 1/5 odds
[15:31:09] ‹kaempfer13› gn targets people on even nights now
[15:31:17] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› ‹@kaempfer13› slightly more than 1/5. 4/19
[15:31:19] ‹RootRanger› Unless there's someone else who is a way more compelling lynch, and I don't think there is
[15:31:20] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› I'd prefer it if you didn't
[15:31:21] ‹Espithel› But
[15:31:22] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1›
[15:31:26] ‹Espithel› It's not like I can stop you
[15:31:47] ‹Espithel› If Root's SCREAMING, you can too
[15:31:50] ‹RootRanger› I think it's 4/14 accounting for 4 civs dead, plus me being civ
[15:31:50] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Guest-Vulture-4afa1› ya, this mafia nerfed town superhard
[15:32:18] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@RootRanger› doesntchange the odds of being assigned it from the start
[15:32:24] ‹RootRanger› shock hasn't been helping either :/
[15:32:49] ‹RootRanger› Like, the people who want shock alive
[15:32:51] ‹kaempfer13› and you even argued about how probabilities work earlier
[15:33:02] ‹RootRanger› Is someone else really so obviously mafia that it's worth lynching them even when shock is undermining us
[15:33:41] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› Oa!
[15:33:47] ‹PlayerOa› Heyyo
[15:33:49] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› i can talk CL and mafia w you yayyyy
[15:34:02] ‹PlayerOa› I’m drunk as heck tho
[15:34:08] ‹PlayerOa› On my phone
[15:34:25] ‹PlayerOa› Is that w3?
[15:34:28] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› oh
[15:34:30] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› yh
[15:34:37] ‹PlayerOa› Nice
[15:34:57] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› pen or no?
[15:35:09] ‹PlayerOa› No way in hell
[15:35:17] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› o.O
[15:35:27] ‹PlayerOa› You think so?
[15:35:43] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› hand was way out for no reason
[15:35:46] ‹PlayerOa› Well i’m biased as i wanted spurs to win
[15:35:56] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› i wanted spurs to win too ):
[15:36:02] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› i think they shouldnt have played kane
[15:36:09] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› they work much better without him
[15:36:15] ‹PlayerOa› But my perception is that they make fouls of hands way too ofteb
[15:36:22] ‹PlayerOa› Well
[15:36:25] ‹PlayerOa› Hard to tell
[15:36:29] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› get kane off the bench if need be
[15:36:31] ‹PlayerOa› Kane is too good not to play
[15:36:42] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› play the team that beat man city, and ajax
[15:37:03] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Coffeeditto› if so shocks an idiot once more; eor are refunded on failure, so gn should have targeted someone n1
[15:37:18] ‹kaempfer13› but ofc shock isnt gn
[15:37:37] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› for some reason, i dont rate kane that much
[15:37:48] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› he never delivers big goals or outstanding goals
[15:38:00] ‹RootRanger› ‹@kaempfer13› thoughts on a shock lynch?
[15:38:40] ‹kaempfer13› id like to do better than 25% if possible
[15:39:59] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@kaempfer13› ‹@RootRanger› If we lynch shock, thats a lot of info that clears up tbh
[15:40:18] ‹MasterWalks› but we cant afford another town lynch this late
[15:40:38] ‹RootRanger› ‹@kaempfer13› did you have anyone in mind?
[15:40:44] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@MasterWalks› really? with so many lies it proofs nothing to know his alignment
[15:41:36] ‹RootRanger› The same could be said for anybody else - that we can't afford a town lynch and they could be town
[15:41:41] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@RootRanger› i wanted to play with some variants of townreads on the lynchlog
[15:42:19] ‹kaempfer13› and see if someone looks scummy through those votes
[15:42:22] ‹Espithel› ‹@RootRanger› What's your opinion of Shockcannon trying to create "toxic association" if he was scum?
[15:42:44] ‹RootRanger› ‹@kaempfer13› fair enough
[15:42:45] ‹Espithel› He thinks Me, Walks, and I think Calindu are town.
[15:42:58] ‹Espithel› Would him trying to set up some kind of misguided fall be a possibility?
[15:43:12] ‹kaempfer13› just quote my post use notepad++s replace all to color names green and see if it adds up
[15:43:16] ‹RootRanger› As in, mafia saying "these x people are town", getting lynched, then hoping civs lynch all the people who mentioned?
[15:44:03] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[15:44:08] ‹RootRanger› ‹@Espithel› I mean, yeah
[15:44:23] ‹RootRanger› But he's been spewing so much randomness I think it would just all get ignored
[15:44:50] ‹Espithel› There's too much of it for that kind of toxic association?
[15:44:51] ‹RootRanger› If shock turns up mafia, I wouldn't become any more or less suspicious of the people on his list
[15:44:53] ‹Espithel› Alright.
[15:44:57] ‹kaempfer13› sjock also believes me town
[15:45:12] ‹kaempfer13› one of the few consistent claims of his actually
[15:45:21] ‹RootRanger› He said ian was 100% mafia then later said he was 100% civ
[15:45:31] ‹RootRanger› He's chaos. Nothing more, nothing less
[15:45:39] ‹RootRanger› Not strategic chaos, not beneficial chaos, just chaos
[15:45:50] ‹RootRanger› Not intelligent chaos, not calculated chaos...
[15:50:43] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@RootRanger› I learned that removing noobs is the lowest priority when scumreading
[15:51:25] ‹RootRanger› Wdym?
[15:51:36] ‹RootRanger› So just let shock get away with whatever he wants because he's a noob?
[15:51:39] ‹kaempfer13› in fact a mafia member is less likely to do stupid stuff in public since they have a team making sure they dont say anything too scummy
[15:52:04] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[15:52:13] ‹RootRanger› Mafia shock wouldn't get hindered by his team
[15:52:28] ‹kaempfer13› although shock gets a special pass there, since being destructive to town was guaranteed from the start
[15:52:40] ‹RootRanger› lol
[15:52:49] ‹kaempfer13› so he would be pretty valuable to mafia as he cant be read
[15:52:57] ‹RootRanger› You see how lynching shock mitigates our worst-case scenario, right
[15:53:18] ‹RootRanger› If we lynch someone useful and they're civ, it sucks. If we lynch shock and their civ, we haven't really lost anything
[15:53:23] ‹RootRanger› and he's civ*
[15:56:07] ‹Wyand›
[15:58:24] ‹kaempfer13› if we wanted to eliminate chaos we should have killed shock right at the start
[15:58:29] ‹MasterWalks› espithel is insig if insig was mean
[15:59:16] ‹kaempfer13› by now if we cant get any better reads we will lose
[15:59:37] ‹Espithel› Lynch or Lose is on day 5, iirc.
[15:59:42] ‹kaempfer13› shock will be impossible to read so guaranteed worse than 25%
[15:59:50] ‹RootRanger› I was down for an early shock lynch
[16:00:05] ‹RootRanger› Right from the gate when he was randomly roleblocking people
[16:00:11] ‹kaempfer13› is there really nothing better we can get?
[16:00:20] ‹RootRanger› It's just gotten worse
[16:00:33] ‹RootRanger› The fake GN claim was a serious issue imo
[16:00:50] ‹RootRanger› If the actual GN had counterclaimed, it would have been a huge hit to us
[16:01:02] ‹Espithel› Linkcat is so done
[16:01:02] ‹RootRanger› Fortunately they didn't, but that doesn't take away from what shock was trying to do
[16:01:07] ‹Espithel› Jesus christ
[16:01:18] ‹kaempfer13› meh it was obvious to me it was a hoax
[16:01:38] ‹kaempfer13› before cals claim that is
[16:02:39] ‹RootRanger› Even so
[16:02:47] ‹RootRanger› His fake GN claim caused 2 people to make actual claims
[16:02:53] ‹RootRanger› (Calin and Coffee)
[16:03:06] ‹RootRanger› narrows down the list, for mafia
[16:03:20] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› dont you dare talk about mafia if you dont sign in
[16:03:41] ‹RootRanger› How many people have yet to role claim? 10? Less? A few of whom are probably mafia
[16:03:59] ‹RootRanger› Means they'll likely be able to snipe GN in the next few nights
[16:04:59] ‹kaempfer13› 6 claims are enough for magia
[16:05:15] ‹Espithel› Do you think any of the mafia have claimed?
[16:05:22] ‹RootRanger› In the worst case
[16:05:31] ‹Espithel› If they have a "useless" role, there doesn't seem to be any harm in it.
[16:05:37] ‹RootRanger› 15 players and 6 have claimed, another 4 are mafia, means GN is narrowed down to 5 people
[16:05:45] ‹RootRanger› That's the harm in claiming a useless role
[16:05:48] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Espithel› if so likely fake
[16:05:52] ‹RootRanger› Number of potential GNs is cut in half
[16:06:06] ‹Espithel› ‹@kaempfer13› Yeah, given the roles, it's probably fake
[16:06:13] ‹Espithel› (If one of them has claimed)
[16:06:26] ‹Espithel› But if it was something like, say, Green Nymph? That's really easy to claim safely.
[16:06:34] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Coffeeditto› Reads list. Now.
[16:06:36] ‹RootRanger› The sad thing is that half of those claims were incited by shock
[16:06:41] ‹RootRanger› A fact everyone seems to be overlooking
[16:06:57] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Linkcat› am I not dead?
[16:07:25] ‹ddevans96› I mean, no point killing you now, lol
[16:07:40] ‹Linkcat› I can't rule on that since I'm playing.
[16:07:56] ‹RootRanger› Agreed, bit of a conflict of interest
[16:08:11] ‹Coffeeditto› then I would like to say that I have no need to out a reads list
[16:08:14] ‹Linkcat› Start being active and it won't be a problem.
[16:08:29] ‹Coffeeditto› see that's where this is kinda lame
[16:08:30] ‹Linkcat› Damnit Coffee.
[16:08:32] ‹ddevans96› ‹@RootRanger› do you have anything else of note right now other than 'shock bad'?
[16:08:34] ‹Espithel› Yeah. We shouldn't really be discussing this until Sub clears up the coffee issue
[16:08:46] ‹Espithel› But we are!
[16:08:50] ‹Coffeeditto›
[16:08:51] ‹RootRanger› ‹@ddevans96› That's a bit of an oversimplification
[16:09:10] ‹Espithel› ‹@RootRanger› You want to lynch me because MW is tunnelling on me.
[16:09:11] ‹Coffeeditto› I know my 5th amendment rights
[16:09:12] ‹ddevans96› I mean, yes, but also no
[16:09:16] ‹MasterWalks› we just got a lot of heavy info. Of course we are going to talk about it, and they cant really stop us
[16:09:34] ‹RootRanger› To me it's a super clear choice when one player is doing more to screw over the civs than anybody else
[16:09:39] ‹Linkcat› I don't expect Root to give us anything before a few more flips.
[16:09:51] ‹RootRanger› That is far more powerful than reading excessively into whatever random soft info
[16:10:04] ‹Espithel› You also want to lynch Shock because he's a bad town who's helping the mafia.
[16:10:05] ‹Guest-DejaVu-182e8› Jesus, people still play this game?
[16:10:09] ‹Espithel› I-is like
[16:10:15] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Guest-DejaVu-182e8› yep
[16:10:22] ‹Espithel› Is Walk being supertunnel not bad town?
[16:10:37] ‹MasterWalks› it might be bad town but its not bad for town
[16:10:39] ‹RootRanger› I actually retract wanting to lynch Espi - had originally thought MW was GN who targeted Espi N1 but this was proven otherwise
[16:10:40] ‹Linkcat› That guest name is really fitting lol.
[16:10:49] ‹RootRanger› I think the strongest town right now is Calindu
[16:10:56] ‹kaempfer13› if we wait for sub to do anything we need an extension
[16:10:57] ‹Linkcat› Seen that exact sentence at least a few times.
[16:11:03] ‹ddevans96› we've also acknowledged MW and IW as 'bad town' - and by we, I mean Link did in his reads list, and no one disagrees
[16:11:03] ‹RootRanger› In that he's been active, coherent, and provided useful information
[16:11:28] ‹Espithel› ‹@ddevans96› My argument here is nascent, but I swear there's a contradiction there
[16:11:29] ‹ddevans96› it's a different kind of 'bad town' than what shock's doing
[16:11:33] ‹kaempfer13› so much stuff to do before settling for a lynch
[16:11:35] ‹Espithel› -Lynch shock because he damages town
[16:11:38] ‹RootRanger› "bad town" is such a contradiction to me - if someone is playing in the best interests of mafia, it's a clear lynch unless it's lynch-or-die
[16:11:41] ‹Espithel› -MW is damaging town by tunnelling me constantly
[16:11:58] ‹Espithel› -Therefore, if not shock, Espi? ?????????????????????????????
[16:12:04] ‹Espithel› Doesn't matter as he's retracted it, but
[16:12:04] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@RootRanger› we have multiple of those
[16:12:05] ‹RootRanger› Ok sure, if you want though, if we throw out MW/IW/shock and just give them a free pass
[16:12:14] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@RootRanger› shock, mw insig
[16:12:18] ‹RootRanger› ‹@kaempfer13› Some worse than others, though
[16:12:22] ‹ddevans96› different kind of 'bad town', againbn
[16:12:32] ‹ddevans96› again* - and I should note that term is in quotes bc I hate it lol
[16:12:35] ‹kaempfer13› me for a while too, but I think i got better
[16:12:36] ‹RootRanger› shock is an order of magnitude more harmful
[16:12:47] ‹Espithel› He definitely is.
[16:12:48] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Espithel› i honestly dont see how tunneling you is bad for town. Look at votes rn and tell me if anyone is actually listening to me
[16:13:08] ‹Linkcat› You can't really inactivity modkill in the middle of a phase. If he hasn't been declared dead by the host then he's alive.
[16:13:11] ‹MasterWalks› no one.
[16:13:17] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› Because it makes any actual argument that I'm scummy a lot worse.
[16:13:25] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@MasterWalks› noone listening to input from a town is bad for town
[16:13:40] ‹MasterWalks› Well thats not my fault
[16:13:41] ‹Espithel› You constantly tunnelling me makes it a lot harder to lynch me.
[16:13:42] ‹kaempfer13› and you are losing credibility with each repition
[16:13:53] ‹Linkcat› ‹@RootRanger› Why would I ever lynch someone who I believe is town?
[16:14:06] ‹RootRanger› Because you believe everyone is town
[16:14:15] ‹MasterWalks› I lost credibility a long time ago. I can actually show you the exact post
[16:14:17] ‹RootRanger› If "believe is town" means ">50% chance"
[16:14:26] ‹Linkcat› No I don't.
[16:14:33] ‹RootRanger› Then not believing someone is town is an extremely bold claim
[16:14:45] ‹RootRanger› I don't think anyone except GN has info to think that someone is more likely mafia than not
[16:15:03] ‹RootRanger› I think they'd be wrong more often than not simply because there are way more civs than mafia and people aren't as smart as they think they are
[16:15:09] ‹Linkcat› No, believe is town means 90%
[16:15:17] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› Thing is right, you can regain it.
[16:15:27] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@kaempfer13›
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[16:15:35] ‹RootRanger› ‹@Linkcat› In that case, I think you'd be wrong to believe shock is town
[16:15:43] ‹MasterWalks› thats when i lost credibility, although i still find that post hilarious
[16:15:44] ‹Linkcat› What if I am as smart as I think I am?
[16:15:51] ‹RootRanger› Playing poorly does not mean town. Playing in the best interests of mafia definitely doesn't
[16:16:58] ‹ddevans96› also - in regards to MW's brand of 'bad town' and why I'm not ignoring it the way people are shock - keep in mind I literally called MW 'shock lite' earlier in the game
[16:17:19] ‹MasterWalks› Im still offended by that
[16:17:31] ‹RootRanger› So idk about Espi anymore
[16:17:40] ‹RootRanger› I'd thought there was a decent chance MW was GN who investigated Espi N0
[16:17:46] ‹RootRanger› But Coffee's info disproved that
[16:17:55] • Espithel pants
[16:17:58] ‹ddevans96› why would you be offended?
[16:18:02] ‹Espithel› I'M NEVER GOING TO POST THE NICE, CLEAN, EDITED CHATLOG
[16:18:07] ‹ddevans96› my opinion of shock does not match everyone else's
[16:18:09] ‹Espithel› AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA**AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA**
[16:18:38] ‹RootRanger› There are...interesting interactions though
[16:19:11] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› end of day timer?
[16:19:22] ‹ddevans96› like 18h from now
[16:19:25] ‹ddevans96› 19h really
[16:19:27] ‹RootRanger› MW goes after Espi, Link goes after dd, drawing away from Espi. dd then joins votes with MW
[16:19:50] ‹RootRanger› If we're giving a free pass to all the "bad towns" then I think this is something to go off of
[16:20:00] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Linkcat› Hey, are you allowed to edit OP to add in the phase link to this phase?
[16:20:14] ‹Linkcat› No
[16:20:15] ‹MasterWalks› DubC most likely wont be on for another 12 hours
[16:20:18] ‹MasterWalks› damn
[16:20:37] ‹ddevans96› the only actual 'bad town' is shock
[16:20:46] ‹Espithel› AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[16:20:47] ‹RootRanger› Looking back into D1
[16:20:55] ‹RootRanger› There was clearly pressure being drawn away from Espi
[16:20:56] ‹Espithel› I'M NOT ACTUALLY SCREAMING I JUST NEED TO SHOUT IN ALLCAPS TO CALM MY NERVES
[16:21:07] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-Vulture-4afa1› 18 hours
[16:21:21] ‹RootRanger› Most strongly from Linkcat but also from kaempfer and moehrpi, among the people who are alive
[16:21:33] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Coffeeditto› Why did you Ward me?
[16:22:15] ‹RootRanger› Lynching Espi would give info at least.
[16:22:21] ‹RootRanger› There are worse lynches
[16:22:31] ‹ddevans96› yes, I'm of the belief that Espi is the best information lynch
[16:22:36] ‹ddevans96› better than Link and IW, at the moment
[16:22:42] ‹ddevans96› (which are my other two mafia leans)
[16:22:49] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Linkcat› because of this post:
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[16:23:05] ‹MasterWalks› I dont believe IW is mafia nor will he give info UNLESS he lied
[16:23:06] ‹RootRanger› Thing is
[16:23:16] ‹MasterWalks› but i dont hink insig has the actual ability to lie
[16:23:24] ‹RootRanger› We could be totally wrong about all of this - Espi could be civ, or Espi could be mafia but all the people who drew votes away from him be civ
[16:23:35] ‹RootRanger› And our GN will *still* get roleblocked next round by shock or someone else
[16:23:36] ‹Wyand›
[16:23:52] ‹RootRanger› If we lynch shock and we're wrong, at least we stop getting roleblocked so much
[16:24:25] ‹Espithel› We have 2 shots before lynch or die.
[16:24:42] ‹RootRanger› I'm ok with lynching shock in those circumstances
[16:24:44] ‹Coffeeditto› untrue
[16:24:57] ‹Coffeeditto› extenuating circumstances could alter those
[16:25:25] ‹Coffeeditto› it's safest to play assuming we have 1, as I could die from poison due to adrenaline or someone may already be poisined who is afk
[16:26:15] ‹Espithel› I am 80% happy saying that Poison isn't a role in this game.
[16:26:20] ‹Calindu› Can anyone provide a quick summary since the last chat log was posted?
[16:26:25] ‹Espithel› But, yes.
[16:26:39] ‹RootRanger› Ok the MW/dd vote pattern is a bit weird at this point
[16:26:40] ‹Espithel› You mean the one I *just* posted or
[16:26:53] ‹RootRanger› I think one would likely tell us info about the other
[16:27:31] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Espithel› thank you. I meant toadfish's poison
[16:27:37] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› in other news, this guys did a better magic audition at agt than shin lim:
[16:27:43] ‹RootRanger› ‹@Calindu› our GN got roleblocked N0 and everyone is completely ok with people like shock blind roleblocking
[16:28:03] ‹RootRanger› ‹@Calindu› normal arguments between me and linkcat
[16:28:03] ‹ddevans96› dunno how you can read into my votes when I spend two days defending myself, but sure
[16:28:05] ‹Espithel› ‹@Coffeeditto› I also meant toadfish's poison
[16:28:34] ‹RootRanger› I'm just going straight from the logs
[16:28:35] ‹ddevans96› no, most people actually advised against blind roleblocking
[16:28:51] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@RootRanger› voting pattern ?
[16:28:59] ‹Calindu› I'm conflicted about shock, on some end a lot of people read him as town, but at the same time, we caught him in multiple lies that forced random roleclaims
[16:29:01] ‹RootRanger› ‹@ddevans96› and have no interest in lynching people who do it anyways
[16:29:07] ‹RootRanger› actions speak louder than words
[16:29:08] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› A voting pattern is how you've changed votes.
[16:29:30] ‹RootRanger› ‹@Calindu› if a lot of people read him as town, it's all the more useful to lynch him, because then if he's mafia you have info on all the people who defended him
[16:29:34] ‹Espithel› So, for example. Your voting pattern tends to be "Lynch Espithel, follow dd/link"
[16:29:52] ‹RootRanger› ‹@MasterWalks› That you two are oftentimes on the same side
[16:29:53] ‹Espithel› This is a gross simplification
[16:29:58] ‹MasterWalks› because they have E X P E R I A N C E
[16:29:59] ‹ddevans96› sorry my philosophy is different than yours
[16:30:09] ‹Espithel› I have E X P E R I E N C E
[16:30:16] ‹ddevans96› I have no interesting in lynching my strongest town read
[16:30:24] ‹ddevans96› regardless of how erratic their play has been
[16:30:58] ‹RootRanger› weird person to pick for your strongest town read
[16:31:07] ‹ddevans96› I mean, it's Link's too
[16:31:10] ‹Espithel› ‹@ddevans96› Root wants to lynch you instead of MW because he uses "petty lynches" as the deciding factor between two different people to reduce bias.
[16:31:11] ‹Espithel› :^)
[16:31:14] ‹Linkcat› Guys, if shock is mine and dd's strongest townread, that dude's town lol.
[16:31:41] ‹MasterWalks› and dd is an orchestrater. Thats why i vote where he votes
[16:31:47] ‹RootRanger› ‹@Espithel› The lynch on MW would be the better play
[16:31:54] ‹Espithel› E X P E R I E N C E D O R C H E S T R A T O R
[16:31:55] ‹Calindu› ‹@RootRanger› I agree, I'm not moving my vote from shock, if he's town, I still think it's not that bad of a lynch
[16:32:08] ‹Espithel› ‹@RootRanger› I'm meming on a post he made earlier
[16:32:10] ‹Linkcat› Orchestrating is not a thing lmao
[16:32:21] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Espithel› I love that
[16:32:22] ‹Linkcat› It's called a push.
[16:32:49] ‹MasterWalks› what is OMGUS?
[16:32:52] ‹ddevans96› and also - I think IW's roleblock on me was just as bad/suspicious as any roleblock shock has (allegedly) done
[16:32:55] ‹Espithel› OH MY GOD YOU SUCK
[16:32:57] ‹ddevans96› I maintain that
[16:33:01] ‹Espithel› Or, voting on people who don't like you
[16:33:15] ‹Espithel› Usually meaning voting on people who vote on you
[16:33:17] ‹MasterWalks› i love that too tbh
[16:33:18] ‹Espithel› Sort of like revenge
[16:33:21] ‹RootRanger› ‹@ddevans96› Yes but shock has done more than just roleblock
[16:33:26] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› this mafia is crazy. people are crazy. people are stupid. its so fun. im missing out. im jealous.
[16:33:33] ‹Calindu› Why would IW claim about guarding dd if he's mafia?
[16:33:36] ‹RootRanger› He solicited a GN counterclaim - if he'd succeeded it would have completely screwed us over
[16:33:38] ‹Espithel› Hey, given all the crazy shit Shock's managed to do
[16:33:50] ‹Espithel› I guess he *is* an e x p e r i e n c e d o r c h e s t r a t o r
[16:34:04] ‹Espithel› An orchestrator of chaos
[16:34:08] ‹Espithel› aha funnyjokeHELPME
[16:35:02] ‹MasterWalks› Here is the thing, I know insig fairly well. I talk to him quite a bit. His role claim and stuff is literally something he didnt think all the way through. He is a smart kid but he doesn think ahead very well
[16:35:04] ‹Calindu› If our GN was online at that point and didn't have that much experience, I'm pretty sure they would counterclaim
[16:35:05] ‹ddevans96› GN counterclaiming would have been bad, but it wouldn't have lost the game
[16:35:21] ‹MasterWalks› Look at last mafia. Look at his War bids.
[16:37:02] ‹Calindu› ‹@ddevans96› Really depends on whether shock is mafia or not, if he's mafia, it's not that bad, but if he's town and forced a GN counterclaim, I don't see us winning anymore from there
[16:37:04] ‹Linkcat› So you're saying Insig is a dumbass.
[16:37:15] ‹MasterWalks› no
[16:37:23] ‹MasterWalks› i said he is a smart kid
[16:37:27] ‹MasterWalks› just a bad planner
[16:37:56] ‹ddevans96› I just don't agree. I've seen games won with a seer/etc revealing early. it's risky, but we'd at least know shock is mafia, and get enough information from the GN to point to a second
[16:38:04] ‹ddevans96› to be clear: a GN counterclaim would have been very bad
[16:38:10] ‹ddevans96› just...not apocalpytic
[16:38:28] ‹Calindu› That's the thing, if shock is mafia and forcing a GN counterclaim, it's not game losing
[16:38:40] ‹RootRanger› shock is civ because he hasn't instigated an apocalypse that caused us to lose
[16:38:44] ‹Calindu› But if he's town and doing that, we just lose
[16:38:45] ‹RootRanger› yeet
[16:38:56] ‹ddevans96› that has nothing to do with my town read
[16:39:20] ‹Espithel› If shock was mafia
[16:39:24] ‹Espithel› Why would he force a GN counterclaim?
[16:39:34] ‹Espithel› That would practically require giant, humoungous testicles
[16:39:39] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› ‹@Espithel› are you typing up the part 2
[16:39:50] ‹ddevans96› which shock has shown he has. or, he's GN
[16:39:52] ‹ddevans96› *shrug*
[16:40:13] ‹MasterWalks› big balled shock
[16:40:17] ‹Espithel› ‹@Guest-Vulture-4afa1› AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[16:40:19] • Espithel coughs
[16:40:22] ‹Espithel› Yes.
[16:40:29] ‹ddevans96› unless you think the only reason shock claimed GN is because I said I suspected he was GN
[16:40:29] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Espithel›
[16:40:36] ‹Coffeeditto› you pinged me
[16:40:53] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› You know
[16:40:56] ‹Espithel› ‹@Coffeeditto›
[16:40:58] ‹Espithel› ‹@Coffeeditto›
[16:40:59] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› stop right there
[16:41:00] ‹Espithel› ‹@Coffeeditto›
[16:41:03] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I literally said why I claimed GN in my info dump
[16:41:05] ‹ddevans96› still think him being GN or mafia is a more likely scenario than him being literally anything else
[16:41:06] ‹Espithel› Okay.
[16:41:09] ‹Espithel› I clearly need to calm down.
[16:41:12] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› But I guess no one reads posts anymore
[16:41:18] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› just part of your GN cover
[16:41:47] ‹Linkcat› I believe he is Flayer.
[16:41:52] ‹Calindu› I'm not sure why shock would ever claim GN like that, I don't even know what would happen this round if I didn't find an inconsistency with my rule
[16:41:53] ‹ddevans96› also - you misunderstood my sentence
[16:42:08] ‹ddevans96› because he thinks he knows the game better than anyone else
[16:42:09] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I have a fun game to play
[16:42:22] ‹ddevans96› or, if nothing else, he's acting like he thinks that
[16:42:40] ‹RootRanger› ‹@Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› why would anyone read your posts
[16:42:41] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› No one uses any abilities or talks at all and then we play the RNG game between GN Zand mafia
[16:43:14] ‹RootRanger› Civs did fine for 60+ mafias before shock came here to save the day
[16:43:16] ‹ddevans96› he's literally outright said that his posts are where he's actually playing the game
[16:43:30] ‹Calindu› ‹@Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I have used my abilities every single night and have been trying to discuss as much as possible, this is definitely not GN vs mafia
[16:43:46] ‹ddevans96› civs won by you abusing broken rulesets like ten mafias in a row
[16:43:47] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› ‹@Calindu› but that’s what root wants
[16:43:52] ‹ddevans96› not by anyone else's skill
[16:43:55] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› And roots been winning for 60+ mafia
[16:44:09] ‹ddevans96› feels like most other games, mafia won. forum mafia favors the mafia team
[16:44:15] ‹Wyand›
[16:44:37] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› wait what, shock has played 10 mafis here? since when?
[16:44:39] ‹Linkcat› Mafia has definitely been favored in the past in the absence of a broken setup.
[16:44:56] ‹Linkcat› Mafia has won because of some unbalanced setups too, though.
[16:44:58] ‹ddevans96› context clues, vulture
[16:44:59] ‹Calindu› Maybe I'm biased, but I'd rather trust Root than the person who forced me to info dump
[16:45:10] ‹RootRanger› Also
[16:45:17] ‹Linkcat› Or at least terrible mechanics that turned over the result.
[16:45:17] ‹ddevans96› he didn't force you to do anything. you made that decision
[16:45:29] ‹RootRanger› Kuro's mafia had 183 pages of content, all without shock forcing people to roleclaim
[16:45:48] ‹ddevans96› you fell for bait. like people are saying 'just ignore shock' and then...don't ignore shock
[16:45:54] ‹RootRanger› Calindu was forced because Linkcat was getting lynched under false pretenses
[16:46:00] ‹ddevans96› pick one side of the fence. lean into his style like I am, or completely ignore him
[16:46:01] ‹RootRanger› You were the one lynching him ddevans
[16:46:04] ‹Linkcat› That game was won based off of reads, not mechanics.
[16:46:16] ‹Calindu› ‹@ddevans96› I made that decision, because I didn't want Linkcat lynched based on a lie, and I also didn't want a GN counterclaim
[16:46:27] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Vulture-4afa1› Poch to stay? Why would he leave?
[16:46:36] ‹Calindu› ‹@ddevans96› It's hard to ignore something like "I am GN, Linkcat is mafia"
[16:46:40] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› to win trophies XD
[16:46:46] ‹ddevans96› Linkcat wasn't getting lynched based on a lie, it was the first four hours of the phase
[16:46:51] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› like if a big club comes calling
[16:46:58] ‹ddevans96› you could have done it subtlety, or you could have waited
[16:47:00] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› but there isnt a big club coming calling anymore
[16:47:05] ‹PlayerOa› Well to who
[16:47:11] ‹Calindu› Because it didn't look like the bs post you normally see, it was a claim
[16:47:18] ‹PlayerOa› Man utd won't come for him atm anyway
[16:47:19] ‹ddevans96› [2019-06-01 17:23:52] ‹RootRanger› If we lynch shock and we're wrong, at least we stop getting roleblocked so much < when Cal claimed, my vote was not on Link, no
[16:47:23] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› yh, i realised that hes got no where to go
[16:47:30] ‹PlayerOa› yep
[16:47:30] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› all the big clubs have sorted their managers now
[16:47:40] ‹PlayerOa› Well juve
[16:47:41] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› id have said juve but seems like they got sarri
[16:47:50] ‹PlayerOa› But guess they won't go for poch
[16:47:51] ‹Calindu› ‹@ddevans96› I claimed before you voted though
[16:48:06] ‹ddevans96› yes. as I just said
[16:48:10] ‹PlayerOa› Yeah heard some talk about sarri-> juve
[16:48:15] ‹RootRanger› 1.) shock tries to lynch linkcat under false pretenses
[16:48:21] ‹ddevans96› uh, wrong copy-paste, sorry
[16:48:24] ‹RootRanger› 2.) Calindu disproves those pretenses
[16:48:36] ‹RootRanger› 3.) ddevans falls for them anyways?
[16:48:37] ‹ddevans96› [2019-06-01 17:45:54] ‹RootRanger› Calindu was forced because Linkcat was getting lynched under false pretenses < when Cal claimed, my vote was not on Link, no*
[16:48:41] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› did you see utd signed an ajax player???
[16:48:48] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› but it wasnt de ligt XD
[16:48:51] ‹RootRanger› ‹@ddevans96› Aye fair I missed that bit
[16:48:52] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› a 16 yo ):
[16:48:55] ‹ddevans96› didn't fall for anything
[16:49:01] ‹PlayerOa› Yeah noticed lol
[16:49:02] ‹Espithel› Okay, guys
[16:49:04] ‹Espithel› I can't
[16:49:10] ‹Espithel› Someone else will have to do chatlog
[16:49:11] ‹Espithel› Sorry
[16:49:15] ‹Espithel› My brain is dying
[16:49:20] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Vulture-4afa1› Might be a good player, never heard of him though
[16:49:31] ‹Calindu› I truly believe Linkcat would get lynched if I didn't roleclaim, and if Linkcat flips town, we lose
[16:49:34] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› yh no idea who he is, oh well lets see
[16:49:49] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› still need de ligt somehow, and a midfielder, and a striker, and a RB ):
[16:49:50] ‹ddevans96› the theory that led me to vote for Link, is that Link got his mafia buddy to target him with Anubis, and frame me for it if he turned scummy/flipped mafia
[16:49:55] ‹PlayerOa› Rip
[16:50:03] ‹Linkcat› So who's down to lynch math?
[16:50:05] ‹PlayerOa› Exiting summer ahead of us though
[16:50:12] ‹Espithel› Why lynch math?
[16:50:13] ‹Linkcat› Lol
[16:50:17] ‹MasterWalks› wait, why math?
[16:50:21] ‹Calindu› ‹@Linkcat› Inactivity lynch?
[16:50:22] ‹Espithel› The mafia's just gonna NK him anyway
[16:50:27] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› if we sign anyone that is q.q
[16:50:37] ‹Linkcat› If I had an Anubis teammate, you can bet your ass I would have had them target me Night 0.
[16:50:44] ‹ddevans96› is that weak? sure. do we have anything else to go on? not really, because we lynched iancu, who had no connections other than shock, who everyone claims to want to ignore and lynch but doesn't, instead of IW, with connections to me and Cal
[16:50:47] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Vulture-4afa1› Lol, daniel james at least
[16:50:51] ‹PlayerOa› no world beater tho
[16:50:58] ‹RootRanger› Hm
[16:50:58] ‹Linkcat› Ain't no way I would be getting checked after not playing for two years.
[16:51:00] ‹RootRanger› It's something
[16:51:10] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› we are literally linked to every player out there
[16:51:11] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› even ronaldo
[16:51:14] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› ugh
[16:51:18] ‹ddevans96› I mean, yeah, which is why I'm not -pushing- it, per se
[16:51:33] ‹MasterWalks› lets just lynch espi so i can get out of this tunnel
[16:51:43] ‹ddevans96› but it was enough for me to want to pressure you
[16:51:47] ‹Linkcat› You know, I was happy when I thought you targeted me, and then you threw a vote on me lol.
[16:52:10] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Vulture-4afa1› just have to wait and see I guess
[16:52:16] ‹ddevans96› another reason why - you were the one who pushed the lynch on me d1, which pretty much derailed town for two days (leading to the above scenario of us lynching iancu)
[16:52:24] ‹ddevans96› it's not a strong scumread, don't get me wrong
[16:52:25] ‹PlayerOa› I should definitely go sleep now though
[16:52:33] ‹Calindu› ‹@PlayerOa› The final was a whole new level of boring
[16:52:34] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Calindu› I think he's using his known recent inactivity as a cover.
[16:52:37] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› cya~
[16:52:43] ‹RootRanger› It's one of the better scumreads I've seen fwiw
[16:52:47] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Calindu› Yeah I agree
[16:52:56] ‹Linkcat› The iancu lynch was ass.
[16:52:56] ‹Wyand› ‹@Calindu› gnight, dream with Unstable Gases
[16:53:00] ‹Linkcat› So was the JCJ lynch.
[16:53:01] ‹RootRanger› I agree with you somewhat on Link but still think you're missing the picture on shock
[16:53:09] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Wyand›
[16:53:09] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› most exciting bit was the girl running on the pitch
[16:53:23] ‹Linkcat› You lynched two guys who didn't do anything scummy and weren't even around to defend themselves.
[16:53:26] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› imagine she injured salah xd
[16:53:31] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Vulture-4afa1› Hahah won't disagree with that
[16:53:40] ‹Linkcat› And who had little interaction with others so we didn't even get much info.
[16:53:40] ‹Wyand› ‹@PlayerOa› sorry, I couldn't miss this one
I will surely dream with Mitos
[16:53:53] ‹ddevans96› so we should have lynched IW, as I said
[16:53:55] ‹RootRanger› Idk, if shock turns Civ I'm open to the Link lynch after depending on what info turns up
[16:53:57] ‹Linkcat› And good players, too.
[16:54:05] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Wyand› lulx
[16:54:05] ‹Linkcat› Insig is town though.
[16:54:06] ‹PlayerOa› luls
[16:54:07] ‹RootRanger› But to just ignore the shock lynch still doesn't make sense
[16:54:14] ‹Linkcat› No way he would claim as mafia.
[16:54:18] ‹Calindu› Well, I believe there's a good chance an inactive player is mafia
[16:54:20] ‹ddevans96› even disregarding my scumread on IW, that was a better lynch than iancu
[16:54:27] ‹PlayerOa› good night all
[16:54:29] ‹Calindu› Since the graboid role just makes it so easy to lay low
[16:54:37] ‹ddevans96› bc again - the only tie iancu had was shock, who is getting ignored*
[16:54:41] ‹ddevans96› *being talked about 24/7
[16:54:53] ‹RootRanger› he's being talked about because he's our best lynch option
[16:55:17] ‹ddevans96› I don't agree. I think he's town
[16:55:25] ‹Wyand› gnight all
[16:55:31] ‹Calindu› I only opted to lynch ian because I didn't want to lynch you anymore and a no lynch was terrible
[16:55:32] ‹MasterWalks› Alright, who is role claiming next>
[16:55:36] ‹Calindu› ‹@Wyand› Night
[16:55:39] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› (id really recomment someone doing chatlog before it becomes massive)
[16:56:07] ‹MasterWalks› ill show you massive
[16:56:13] ‹MasterWalks›
[16:56:17] ‹MasterWalks› oops
[16:56:23] ‹MasterWalks› i meant to draw massive dragon
[16:56:24] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› nub
[16:56:28] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› fail
[16:56:30] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Calindu› why iancu and not IW? were you townreading IW? if so, why?
[16:56:48] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› Oh, by the way
[16:56:54] ‹Espithel› I didn't get roleblocked last night.
[16:56:56] ‹Espithel› :^)
[16:57:06] ‹ddevans96› or, conversely - were you scumreading iancu, and if so, why
[16:57:23] ‹MasterWalks› Oh so we are blocking GN but nor espi, THE ONE PERSON I ASKED TO BE BLOCKED??
[16:57:43] ‹Espithel› Woke take:
[16:57:44] ‹Espithel› I'm the GN
[16:57:45] ‹Espithel› :^)
[16:57:49] ‹Espithel› (Joke.)
[16:57:51] ‹Calindu› ‹@ddevans96› I believed the only way IW was mafia and lying about guard is if you were mafia as well
[16:57:56] ‹ddevans96› wrinkled brain
[16:58:32] ‹ddevans96› I've outlined why I disagree with that multiple times, so this conversation would get repetitive if I argued
[16:58:35] ‹ddevans96› but regardless, fair
[16:58:36] ‹Calindu› So if I didn't believe you were mafia anymore, I didn't see anything wrong about IW
[16:59:04] ‹Calindu› I don't know if it's wrong or not, but that's how I've seen it and still see it
[16:59:14] ‹ddevans96› it's fair to see it that way
[16:59:35] ‹Calindu› There's just no reason for IW to claim guard if he was mafia, it makes absolutely no sense
[16:59:37] ‹ddevans96› I think Coffee said on d1, just because I disagree doesn't mean I think you're wrong for thinking it
[16:59:42] ‹Espithel› Hey did you know there's two GNs in this game
[16:59:44] ‹Espithel› You've got the GN
[16:59:46] ‹ddevans96› no, it could make sense, in certain scenarios
[16:59:50] ‹Espithel› And then you've got the shitty Green Nymph
[16:59:55] ‹ddevans96› it'd be risky
[17:00:19] ‹ddevans96› but again, I don't think risky is the worst play for mafia in this setup
[17:01:17] ‹ddevans96› mostly, I just find it notable that I voted on IW for a very light reason, and he immediately went to roleblock me - could be legitimately thinking I was sus, yes
[17:01:30] ‹ddevans96› feels like....actually
[17:01:39] ‹ddevans96› wait. let me review some things over dinner
[17:01:42] ‹Linkcat› I think he was still scumreading you from Day 1.
[17:01:46] ‹Linkcat› Sorry
[17:02:11] ‹Calindu› I try to think about it logically and from a game optimal theory perspective, although a lot of things happened that don't really make sense
[17:02:45] ‹Calindu› But I agree that we can't lynch people making mistakes and misusing roles, because we'll get nowhere
[17:03:05] ‹ddevans96› hm. what I was thinking...it felt like IW knew I was right about him being mafia, so he panicked and went for the roleblock
[17:03:20] ‹ddevans96› but...if he was mafia, you would think he would discuss his actions with his team
[17:03:28] ‹ddevans96› if I think he roleblocked me out of panic
[17:03:40] ‹MasterWalks› I agree with dd on insig here.
[17:03:43] ‹ddevans96› that would actually be a towntell
[17:03:56] ‹MasterWalks› He did it out of panic as he doesnt think ahead
[17:04:12] ‹MasterWalks› well actually, that part of guarding you wasnt all that bad
[17:04:16] ‹ddevans96› lone town is more likely to use an action out of panic than grouped mafia, I think
[17:04:18] ‹MasterWalks› its the reveal that was a bad play
[17:05:02] ‹Calindu› ‹@ddevans96› Were you scumreading IW D1?
[17:05:06] ‹Calindu› I don't remember that
[17:05:08] ‹ddevans96› yes
[17:05:10] ‹ddevans96› very lightly
[17:05:42] ‹ddevans96› it wasn't exactly publicly clear that it was a very light read, however - just regular light
[17:06:10] ‹ddevans96› it was bc he voted on me immediately after Link's post, essentially
[17:06:27] ‹Calindu› Well, if he didn't have that much experience, I'm pretty sure he would see it as a survival game
[17:06:50] ‹Calindu› So it makes sense to target people that would want you lynched
[17:07:09] ‹Calindu› Because I clearly remember I did that mistake and threw a couple of games when I first started
[17:07:20] ‹ddevans96› Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101 JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
[17:07:26] ‹ddevans96› nice formatting
[17:07:36] ‹ddevans96› those were the votes immediately before Link moved his vote to me
[17:08:00] ‹ddevans96› Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat || MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ || dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101 || JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger || shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel || InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo || iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
[17:08:07] ‹ddevans96› separated (sorry for double)
[17:08:22] ‹Calindu› Yeah, I see
[17:08:58] ‹ddevans96› then Link moved to me from Espi, and IW moved to me from himself
[17:09:10] ‹ddevans96› if Espi is town, I think that's favorable for both Link and IW
[17:09:16] ‹ddevans96› if Espi is mafia, I think the opposite
[17:09:46] ‹ddevans96› @Espithel thoughts?
[17:09:57] ‹MasterWalks› So when it is revealed that espi is mafia, thats bad for Link and insig?
[17:10:14] ‹MasterWalks› why exactly?
[17:10:31] ‹ddevans96› because Espi was the lead lynch at that time
[17:10:58] ‹MasterWalks› well i think Espi is mafia, but i still moved my vote
[17:11:09] ‹ddevans96› if he was mafia, it would make sense for them to try to direct the vote elsewhere - we would have to answer the question of why Link's vote was on him in the first place, though
[17:11:14] ‹ddevans96› so maybe it says nothing about Link
[17:11:30] ‹ddevans96› yeah, for that reason, I don't think it says anything about you either
[17:11:35] ‹Espithel› I think what happened there
[17:11:41] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I love how root tunnels more than MW and gets really salty
[17:11:44] ‹ddevans96› unless you did a lot of bussing
[17:11:46] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Makes for good entertainment
[17:11:48] ‹Calindu› I don't think the Espi train mattered at that point
[17:11:58] ‹Linkcat› That's what I was thinking lol. Like, I had to save him from the lead that I put him in?
[17:12:13] ‹ddevans96› it would be mega brain of you
[17:12:21] ‹ddevans96› so I can't discard it - but probably not
[17:13:17] ‹Espithel› Is Linkcat punished me for OwOing
[17:13:32] ‹Espithel› Then actually looked at the posts, then made a serious decision
[17:13:39] ‹ddevans96› the other votes on me were Cal (could mean something if Espi flips mafia, but I still townread), Espi (selfpres, and took off anyways), iancu (dead town), Mobian (did put the chain 'out of reach', seemed sure I would be lynched...hmmmmmmmmmm, maybe him too)
[17:14:11] ‹kaempfer13› ok 11 people who did not roleclaim, 4 of which I think i can softread and 1 of which i know cuz its mine
[17:14:23] ‹ddevans96› if Espi was mafia, I'd want to look at Mobian (and IW, but I've already established that)
[17:14:32] ‹kaempfer13› nobody claim a role before gn is revealed
[17:14:42] ‹MasterWalks› whats your soft reads?
[17:14:58] ‹Linkcat› We should have done that from the start.
[17:15:09] ‹ddevans96› if Espi is town - I would be comfortable saying that IW is just nervous town
[17:15:11] ‹Linkcat› Why would you ask him that lmao
[17:15:18] ‹kaempfer13› soft reads for secondary roles are bad to reveal i think
[17:15:23] ‹MasterWalks› lol im addicted to info
[17:15:28] ‹ddevans96› anyways, errands - MAKE SURE THIS GETS LOGGED
[17:15:33] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Root: “role claim is bad”. Also root: “everyone is 50/50 unless GN reveals”. Also Root: “we need to lunch every day”
[17:15:39] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› we should play chatfia rn
[17:15:43] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Root is an entropy main confirmed
[17:15:45] ‹ddevans96› ‹@kaempfer13› also, post your 'no more claims until GN is revealed' in the thread
[17:15:51] ‹ddevans96› so people not here hopefully see it and heed it
[17:16:30] ‹Calindu› I think claims are fine if it's strong info that leads to finding a mafia
[17:16:49] ‹Linkcat› Of course.
[17:16:53] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› No secondary role can actually offer facts to find mafia other than GN
[17:16:56] ‹MasterWalks› I still think GN should reveal if they find 2 mafia
[17:17:09] ‹kaempfer13› 4 are mafia, so that leaves us with a 1/3 for gn to be found
[17:17:17] ‹Linkcat› That's a no-brainer too.
[17:17:20] ‹Calindu› I personally wanted to claim if I found a GN or GN target and saw focus on them in the thread
[17:17:23] ‹kaempfer13› 2 more claims and she will be found for sure
[17:17:38] ‹Calindu› Though I didn't find anything like that
[17:19:33] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[17:20:09] ‹Calindu› I'd argue GN has to claim after N4 if they know 3 primary roles
[17:20:40] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Calindu› I would like you to make a rads list.
[17:20:46] ‹MasterWalks› I dont think they should if they only found town tho
[17:20:47] ‹Linkcat› reads*
[17:20:52] ‹kaempfer13› yh, she wont live beyond that with all those claims
[17:21:25] ‹MasterWalks› well actually i take that
[17:21:27] ‹MasterWalks› back
[17:22:00] ‹Calindu› I don't actually have any read list tbh, though I'd probably put most people as either neutral or lean town read
[17:22:36] ‹Linkcat› Any scumreads?
[17:22:54] ‹MasterWalks› Ill post rn but im not going to cut out all the SOCCER talk
[17:23:28] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› that which i hunger for in the night is Frozen Panties
[17:23:43] ‹Calindu› Shock
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