Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine

[MasterWalks]

[10:22:21] ‹iancudorinmarian› Someone move my vote to Mobian

immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) -  Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian

[Espithel]

shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) -  Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
Mobian (1) - Iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (1) - Espithel

Stop switching your votes all over the place you spazz


Will post chatlog later.

[RootRanger]

I think the suspicion on ddevans is unwarranted, and IW is blind roleblocking, so this is an easy choice for me.

kaempfer13 (1) -  Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (1) - Iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (1) - Espithel

[MasterWalks]

I think the suspicion on ddevans is unwarranted, and IW is blind roleblocking, so this is an easy choice for me.

kaempfer13 (1) -  Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (1) - Iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (1) - Espithel

Why do people keep saying this?

[10:53:34] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› dd seemed to be attempting to orchestrate votes to get rid of important town. I wanted to prevent him from doing too much

He was sus of dd, just like a ton of other people. You said it yourself (well more quoted it) If you are sus of someone, then yes roleblock them. Which is exactly what he did.

[Espithel]

Wow we really need to get the blab to be

SILENT

so we can post that chatlog, huh

[MasterWalks]

Spoiler for chatlog pt 1:

[06:03:24] ‹shockcannon› the real question
[06:03:33] ‹shockcannon› of the people who have revealed things that happened during night phases
[06:03:36] ‹shockcannon› how many were lying?
[06:04:11] ‹shockcannon› because if none were lying than I know quite a bit
[06:04:23] ‹shockcannon› but if several were lying than that info is pretty much useless
[06:04:50] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I can't imagine all of it being true, but I don't think many people have lied so far
[06:05:07] ‹shockcannon› I'm like 90% certain it's all true
[06:05:10] ‹shockcannon› except ian
[06:05:29] ‹shockcannon› I will admit there's like a 5% chance ian is actually town
[06:05:37] ‹shockcannon› and my read is super off
[06:05:46] ‹shockcannon› but if he is town than everything he said so far would probably be true
[06:05:51] ‹shockcannon› which would give me a whole lot of new info about mafia
[06:06:03] ‹shockcannon› but as of now, I'm pretty sure he's lied a lot
[06:06:25] ‹shockcannon› or he's getting at teammate warden to block him
[06:10:49] ‹shockcannon› ASSUMING you told the truth there might be 3 wardens
[06:10:57] ‹shockcannon› that would be something
[06:14:02] ‹immortal_feud› holy textwall shock
[06:14:54] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Yo immortal
[06:14:56] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› League?
[06:15:02] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Btw don’t vote for insig
[06:15:05] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› He’s not maf
[06:16:04] ‹immortal_feud› nah sorry was just popping in before bed
[06:16:40] ‹Calindu› People talking about mafia as guests is annoying, I don't know who is who since I haven't really frequented the chat in the past year or so
[06:17:05] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› i belive vamp is shock
[06:17:13] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Sorry
[06:17:18] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› This is calindu
[06:17:31] ‹Calindu› Yeah, I think so to, but he is not the only one doing it
[06:17:53] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› (chrysaora and deathstalker arent playing)
[06:18:12] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› )(and arent chattign about current maf)
[06:19:17] ‹Calindu› Yeah, I see
[06:24:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Calindu in Forum Games. Eat this post. Think better.
[06:40:51] ‹ARTHANASIOS›
(6d10) 10 + 9 + 2 + 3 + 6 + 4 = 34 ...
[07:15:57] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-38c99› this is a very cool game
[07:16:03] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Yes
[07:16:23] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-38c99› k
[07:16:35] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-38c99› best element
[07:16:46] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Singularity is the best card
[08:42:41] ‹DoubleCapitals› I am purely here on business.
[08:43:01] ‹DoubleCapitals› The people who summoned me here, please DM me here or Discord. That is all.
[08:44:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Polls for Mafia 71 from iancudorinmarian in Off-Topic Discussions. Sharp minds, sharp posts.
[09:12:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Mobian in Forum Games. I'd walk a mile for this post.
[09:20:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Polls for Mafia 71 from Mobian in Off-Topic Discussions. This post tastes good.
[09:32:02] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Espithel
[09:32:11] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Move your vote to ddevans
[10:00:09] ‹MasterWalks› If insig gets lynched, I full heartedly believe mafia is choosing who we lynch
[10:01:53] ‹Calindu› Yeah, I believe so
[10:02:08] ‹Calindu› But there's a common thing in both lynches
[10:03:16] ‹Espithel› A common thing in both lynches?
[10:03:49] ‹Calindu› Who orchestrated or orchestrates it
[10:03:54] ‹Calindu› There's 2 people
[10:05:02] ‹PrivatePotato› The latest private post is Re: Tournament Organizer and PvP Event Organi... from TheonlyrealBeef in Voting 7 hours ago. Clear your mind.
[10:05:08] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Calindu› have you seen the light?
[10:05:16] ‹shockcannon› only took you a week to catch on
[10:05:24] ‹shockcannon› it's been obvious since day 1
[10:05:53] ‹Calindu› It was suspicious since JCJ died, but there's no way to be sure
[10:06:01] ‹shockcannon› i knew before JCJ died
[10:06:31] ‹shockcannon› ians vote on dawn was mistake #1 from mafia
[10:06:44] ‹shockcannon› the real question
[10:06:48] ‹shockcannon› who are the other 2 mafia?
[10:06:53] ‹shockcannon› i'm pretty certain on the 3rd
[10:06:57] ‹shockcannon› but I can't find the 4th yet
[10:07:23] ‹Calindu› Nah, I think Mobian just boomed them with that 5th vote and they had to scramble
[10:07:39] ‹MasterWalks› I think you are looking to far into N0 votes when info was more limited
[10:07:45] ‹MasterWalks› or day 1
[10:08:25] ‹shockcannon› honestly
[10:08:33] ‹shockcannon› I may make a big push right now to get ian lynched today
[10:08:47] ‹iancudorinmarian› Shock still thinking I'm mafia
[10:09:16] ‹Calindu› ‹@iancudorinmarian› The way I see it, if dd is mafia, you are too
[10:09:28] ‹iancudorinmarian› Well, suspecting me is fine, but being so sure of it when he knows nothing is silly
[10:09:47] ‹shockcannon› nah
[10:09:50] ‹shockcannon› ian is 100% maf
[10:09:55] ‹shockcannon› dd is like 95% maf
[10:10:02] ‹shockcannon› honestly
[10:10:05] ‹iancudorinmarian› ‹@Calindu› actually, it's common for mafia to try to team up with a civvy
[10:10:10] ‹shockcannon› i might as well just share everything else now
[10:10:20] ‹shockcannon› i already revealed two of the maf
[10:10:24] ‹iancudorinmarian› And save themselves one day of lynch with that
[10:10:30] ‹MasterWalks› dd is looking more and more sus everyday. He is too experienced to waste a vote on insig over some bad role claim
[10:10:59] ‹Espithel› You really need to stop using "he's experienced" as an excuse for or against arguments, walks
[10:11:10] ‹Espithel› How experienced he is has no bearing on how right he is
[10:11:13] ‹shockcannon› it appears the other townies are finally catching up
[10:11:20] ‹shockcannon› I might actually be able to post info now
[10:11:26] ‹shockcannon› and actually have people join
[10:11:28] ‹iancudorinmarian› Well, I guess I am fine with shocks silly claims, that makes me less of a priority NK target
[10:11:32] ‹shockcannon› here's the question
[10:11:48] ‹shockcannon› how much do we care about insignificant weeaboo surviving this day phase?
[10:11:55] ‹MasterWalks› It does on how sus he is. He should know better than that. If some first timer like moe or kaempf made that vote, it would not be sus at all
[10:12:04] ‹MasterWalks› I care.
[10:12:17] ‹Calindu› Idk, the way the votes were gathered in day 1 was the suspect thing
[10:12:20] ‹shockcannon› switch your vote to ddevnas then
[10:12:21] ‹MasterWalks› If hes not mafia, well then dont vote him. If he is, he is going to slip up
[10:12:21] ‹iancudorinmarian› And if I get lyched at some point, you will see how bad shock is at mafia
[10:12:21] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
(5d9) 1 + 6 + 4 + 6 + 2 = 19 ...
[10:12:25] ‹Espithel› Eh.
[10:12:33] ‹Espithel› I think weeb's a bit scummy, honestly.
[10:12:55] ‹shockcannon› ‹@MasterWalks› kaempf isn't maf
[10:12:56] ‹Espithel› The question is if I think weeb is more scummy than evans, which...
[10:12:57] ‹MasterWalks› Yea and your mafia so it makes sense you want us to lynch him
[10:13:02] ‹Calindu› If Mobian didn't vote, ian and dd could easily make up for a 3 vote difference(ian's vote was on dd), Mobian's vote kind of made them scramble to get some more votes
[10:13:19] ‹Calindu› ‹@Espithel› Why would IW lie for no reason, that's the question
[10:13:35] ‹Espithel› I don't think he's lying.
[10:13:35] ‹MasterWalks› I dont think he is lying
[10:13:39] ‹MasterWalks› jinx
[10:13:49] ‹shockcannon› ‹@MasterWalks› btw
[10:13:51] ‹shockcannon› next day phase
[10:13:52] ‹Espithel› ninja'd :^)
[10:13:54] ‹shockcannon› please hold your vote
[10:14:02] ‹shockcannon› people tend to just jump on who you're voting
[10:14:12] ‹shockcannon› I wanna see what mafia does when townies hold their vote
[10:14:52] ‹shockcannon› force others to vote first without knowing if anyone will support their accusations
[10:14:59] ‹MasterWalks› lol not hey dont
[10:15:01] ‹MasterWalks› they*
[10:15:08] ‹MasterWalks› if they did, espi wouldnt be talking rn
[10:15:21] ‹Calindu› That's the thing, if IW didn't lie, then that either means mafia decided to guard dd when he didn't use any ability N0, or he's town
[10:15:42] ‹Espithel› There is the third possibility.
[10:15:45] ‹iancudorinmarian› Tbh if my role wasnt useful I would get myself lynched just to prove shock has no idea what s going on
[10:15:49] ‹Espithel› Which is "weeb's a bit stupid"
[10:15:58] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Not gonna deny that one
[10:16:10] ‹shockcannon› ‹@iancudorinmarian› took you long enough to defend yourself
[10:16:17] ‹Espithel› The way I see it, this is a lynch on Weeb being stupid, yeah?
[10:16:25] ‹Calindu› ‹@Espithel› I don't know exactly how the mafia team works, since I have actually never been mafia on this forum, but I believe they would have a plan
[10:16:26] ‹shockcannon› abandoning your team's "ignore shock" strategy now huh?
[10:16:50] ‹iancudorinmarian› What team?
[10:17:13] ‹shockcannon› is dawn your mafia teammatee?
[10:17:27] ‹Espithel› ‹@Calindu› I've been mafia a few times. How the mafia team works is wildly different from game to game.
[10:17:31] ‹Espithel› Sometimes, they're highly ordered.
[10:17:35] ‹Espithel› Sometimes, they're really disparate.
[10:17:41] ‹iancudorinmarian› My only teammate is my face
[10:17:54] • Espithel punches ian's face
[10:17:58] ‹Espithel› No
[10:18:00] ‹Espithel› You stand alone
[10:18:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from MasterWalks in Forum Games. Oh, what a read!
[10:18:04] ‹Espithel›
[10:18:09] • Espithel coughs.
[10:18:13] ‹iancudorinmarian› D:
[10:18:16] ‹shockcannon› only took about a 5 days to get ian to crack and act like himself
[10:18:20] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@iancudorinmarian› oull your vote off insig
[10:18:31] ‹MasterWalks› pull*
[10:18:40] ‹shockcannon› did you break character or did you guys decide to switch up your strategy?
[10:18:41] ‹Espithel› The way I see it, the reason people want to lynch Weeb is analogous to the reason people want to lynch Shock.
[10:19:13] ‹iancudorinmarian› ‹@Espithel› yes
[10:19:17] ‹Calindu› ‹@Espithel› I still believe they would at least try to coordinate abilities
[10:20:23] ‹shockcannon› if ian ever gets pressured by a potential lynch
[10:20:37] ‹shockcannon› he's going to claim GN that's been blocked every night
[10:20:43] ‹shockcannon› calling it now
[10:21:28] ‹iancudorinmarian› lul
[10:21:51] ‹MasterWalks› dd is going to give us so much more info than insig
[10:21:58] ‹MasterWalks› if we lynch him
[10:22:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from InsignificantWeeaboo in Forum Games. Be sure to give them a raise!
[10:22:11] ‹iancudorinmarian› Might as well stick to my original scum read
[10:22:14] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Double D    :awesome:
[10:22:19] ‹Espithel› ‹@Calindu› Even that depends. If the mafia team's more inactive, or if they're more disparate (some mafia teams prefer to act as independently of each other as possible to avoid looking cohesive), or if they have shitty skills, they might not coordinate
[10:22:21] ‹iancudorinmarian› Someone move my vote to Mobian
[10:22:46] ‹MasterWalks› omg i dont want to hear anymore of mobinas aggressive defending
[10:23:37] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› ‹@Espithel› mafia team of Manuel
[10:23:40] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Shock
[10:23:42] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Dm sis
[10:24:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from MasterWalks in Forum Games. It's cold and dark in here ;_;
[10:24:02] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Ahhhhhh
[10:24:02] ‹Espithel› Dm was actually a really competant player
[10:24:15] ‹Espithel› ‹@iancudorinmarian› Stop switching your votes every 20 seconds aaaa
[10:24:17] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› That’s why it’s all the more funny
[10:24:32] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› they’ll all have conflicting opinions
[10:24:39] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› And will throw each other under the bus
[10:24:57] ‹Espithel› Like they should. :^)
[10:25:22] ‹iancudorinmarian› I need to keep switching votes to claim GN when I am about to get lynced
[10:25:32] ‹iancudorinmarian› *lynched
[10:25:45] ‹Espithel› okay
[10:26:15] ‹shockcannon› don't waver on the ddevans vote
[10:26:26] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Watch mafia kill GN next night phase
[10:26:32] ‹shockcannon› I wanna see what ddevans tries when he's panicking
[10:26:56] ‹shockcannon› ‹@MasterWalks› @Calindu @InsignificantWeeaboo
[10:27:06] ‹shockcannon› don't move your vote and don't respond to ddevans
[10:27:18] ‹shockcannon› let's see what happens if we straight up ignore him when he starts panicking
[10:27:35] ‹Espithel› I mean. He didn't look like he was panicking last night phase.
[10:27:52] ‹MasterWalks› hes going to cherry pick everyone's comments about him and dissect them until they are irrelevant like he has been doing.
[10:27:53] ‹shockcannon› he was posting non-stop and getting anyone he could to move to JCJ
[10:27:55] ‹shockcannon› he was panicking
[10:28:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Espithel in Forum Games. Eat this post.
[10:28:47] ‹shockcannon› ‹@iancudorinmarian› PM ddevans that his time is up
[10:29:00] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› My time is now
[10:29:09] ‹iancudorinmarian› I cant PM you silly
[10:29:17] ‹shockcannon› you can if you're maf
[10:29:29] • Espithel frantically checks who
[10:29:33] ‹Espithel› (joke)
[10:29:43] ‹shockcannon› also i'm fairly certain that if everyone role claimed we could find 3 mafia instantly
[10:30:00] ‹MasterWalks› who is less useful then i thought it would be.
[10:30:03] ‹shockcannon› not that anyone would go along with that but just curious
[10:30:21] ‹MasterWalks› like it does pretty much nothing other than tell you how many guests report stuff to mods
[10:30:28] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› ‹@shockcannon› I thoguht you knew 3
[10:30:32] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› what a let down
[10:30:43] ‹shockcannon› i do know 3
[10:31:00] ‹shockcannon› but i could offer the other town noobs hard evidence on those 3
[10:31:13] ‹iancudorinmarian› If I am among those 3 you know nothing
[10:31:17] ‹MasterWalks› dont talk about it, be about it
[10:31:55] ‹iancudorinmarian› Shock knows nothing and he is just trying to see if mafia panic
[10:32:11] ‹MasterWalks› ^
[10:32:52] ‹iancudorinmarian› The only way shock knows 3 mafia is if he is mafia himself
[10:33:05] ‹iancudorinmarian› Which honestly wouldnt surprise me
[10:33:06] ‹MasterWalks› and he is the 4th... thats the ultimate bus
[10:33:52] ‹iancudorinmarian› We cant win as long as shock is alive
[10:34:11] ‹MasterWalks› we have to wait until after day 3
[10:34:12] ‹iancudorinmarian› Him being mafia or town
[10:34:47] ‹iancudorinmarian› Just like Root said, he's just noise and actually making ot harder to find the real mafia
[10:35:28] ‹Calindu› I didn't base my vote on dd on anything shock said
[10:35:40] ‹MasterWalks› I mean, not really. Hes one of the easiest people to ignore. He doesnt post to the thread all that much and his chat color is easy on the eyes so you can kinda just skim through it
[10:36:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Polls for Mafia 71 from RootRanger in Off-Topic Discussions. It feels like I'm stuck in a loop...
[10:36:40] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Yeet
[10:36:50] ‹iancudorinmarian› Tbh I dont know dd's alignment. Though I do believe all those orchestrated votes by him are suspicious
[10:37:15] ‹iancudorinmarian› So I guess I will place him in the slightly scummy category
[10:37:19] ‹shockcannon› bussing your teammate now are you ian?
[10:37:23] ‹shockcannon› a little late for that
[10:37:43] ‹iancudorinmarian› If I was, I would vote for him
[10:37:59] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@shockcannon› You have no idea who the mafia is if you believe espi is town.
[10:38:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from RootRanger in Forum Games. When it absolutely, positively, has to be read overnight.
[10:38:03] ‹shockcannon› but straightin bussing like that would be too obvious
[10:38:07] ‹shockcannon› you're covering your bases
[10:38:19] ‹DoubleCapitals› My business here is done for now
[10:38:21] ‹DoubleCapitals› Goodbye
[10:38:45] ‹iancudorinmarian› You are entitled to your opinion
[10:38:47] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Business
[10:38:49] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Bye
[10:39:18] ‹DoubleCapitals› yeah I spelled that wrong, sue me
[10:39:40] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Oh
[10:39:44] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› I didn’t even see the spelling lol
[10:39:56] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› I was gonna say something else but pressed enter after business accidentally
[10:40:16] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› (Wait the spelling is right tho??)
[10:40:23] ‹iancudorinmarian› Hm, Root feels...awkward
[10:40:25] ‹shockcannon› yeah the spelling is right
[10:40:52] ‹shockcannon› root is the worst mafia player i've ever encountered
[10:40:52] ‹MasterWalks› wtf root, that literally makes no sense
[10:41:00] ‹shockcannon› which is why I now know for sure insig is town
[10:41:14] ‹shockcannon› root actually reads everybody wrong
[10:41:19] ‹shockcannon› insig is now confirmed town
[10:41:36] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@shockcannon› Last game when he was ash, i straight up told him you are probably town but you are not working for town. That convinced him to lynch you.
[10:41:36] ‹iancudorinmarian› Nobody thought insig was mafia
[10:41:49] ‹Calindu› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› Why did you actually guard dd, btw?
[10:41:53] ‹MasterWalks› THEN WHY ARE THEY LYNCHING TOWN?
[10:42:01] ‹shockcannon› ‹@iancudorinmarian› you literally had your vote on insig 5 minutes ago
[10:42:01] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› There’s only two conf town. Jcj and Oa.
[10:42:09] ‹Calindu› ‹@iancudorinmarian› I thought for a while, before I saw dd and IW bussing eachother
[10:42:22] ‹iancudorinmarian› We were lynching him because he was working against town by random blocking
[10:42:35] ‹MasterWalks› i dont think its random at all
[10:42:53] ‹Calindu› If he explains it, there's an explanation that makes sense
[10:43:02] ‹iancudorinmarian› Was dd really considered all that scummy D1?
[10:43:06] ‹Calindu› I want to see if it's that or something else
[10:43:24] ‹Calindu› ‹@iancudorinmarian› He needed to scramble votes out of thin air to not get lynched
[10:43:50] ‹iancudorinmarian› Fair
[10:43:54] ‹Espithel› Nope, that's consistent with what Root thinks
[10:44:06] ‹Espithel› Like I said, a Weeb lynch is the same logic as a Shock lynch
[10:44:13] ‹Espithel› And Root really wants to fucking lynch Shock
[10:44:50] ‹MasterWalks› Root cares more about having a quiet town than killing mafia
[10:44:51] ‹Calindu› I just want to hear IW explain guarding dd
[10:45:38] ‹MasterWalks› root has N.Korea logic. If you act differently then you must be dissident
[10:45:51] ‹Espithel› Root is "the most experienced" of all of us
[10:46:01] ‹Espithel› :^)
[10:46:03] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Btw can mafia be GN
[10:46:10] ‹Calindu› ‹@Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Nope
[10:46:12] ‹MasterWalks› Dont talk to me about experience
[10:46:14] ‹iancudorinmarian› No
[10:46:25] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› cool makes sense
[10:46:37] ‹Espithel› ‹@Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Only via fate egg/endow/scavenge
[10:46:39] ‹iancudorinmarian› Only one GN and it's confirmed tow
[10:46:45] ‹iancudorinmarian› Town
[10:47:15] ‹MasterWalks› GN is useless for Mafia
[10:47:27] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Well
[10:47:33] ‹shockcannon› mobian, get your vote on ddevans
[10:47:39] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› It restricts from town having a GN lel
[10:48:12] ‹shockcannon› or if you wanna channel your rage at ian
[10:48:18] ‹shockcannon› i'm down to move all our votes to ian
[10:49:10] ‹ARTHANASIOS›
(6d10) 6 + 10 + 5 + 9 + 2 + 3 = 35 ...
[10:49:13] ‹iancudorinmarian› Shock acting like town leader
[10:49:35] ‹MasterWalks› Better than dd tbh
[10:49:38] ‹shockcannon› ian acting like outed mafia
[10:50:04] ‹Espithel› Anyone who disagrees with THE LORD is scum
[10:50:07] ‹shockcannon› if you were town you would've responded to me like you're responding now 5 days ago
[10:50:13] ‹iancudorinmarian› War
[10:50:18] ‹iancudorinmarian› Wat
[10:50:22] ‹MasterWalks› War wen
[10:50:27] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
(5d9) 8 + 6 + 4 + 5 + 7 = 30 ...
[10:50:36] ‹shockcannon› but you and your maf buddies chose to play the "ignore shock" strategy
[10:50:38] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› WOARRRRR
[10:50:39] ‹shockcannon› and then it failed
[10:50:42] ‹shockcannon› and now you're panicking
[10:50:48] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› explain you targeting dd
[10:50:58] ‹iancudorinmarian› If you were town you wouldnt try to lynch me for no reason
[10:51:13] ‹Espithel› Hang on
[10:51:18] ‹Espithel› That's *the most towny thing* you can do
[10:51:21] ‹Espithel› Be shit at the game
[10:51:27] ‹shockcannon› that's probably the worst excuse i've ever heard
[10:51:28] ‹Espithel› Like I'm not joking ian
[10:51:54] ‹shockcannon› remember how ian was such a good townie last game?
[10:52:08] ‹shockcannon› he would never share roles or encourage sharing roles
[10:52:16] ‹iancudorinmarian› And how is it different this game?
[10:52:20] ‹shockcannon› he only voted once per day and was logical and systematic
[10:52:26] ‹shockcannon› but then this game
[10:52:35] ‹shockcannon› he announces day 1 that his role was blocked
[10:52:41] ‹shockcannon› and almost even told us who he targeted
[10:52:49] ‹shockcannon› then he switches votes randomly
[10:53:05] ‹shockcannon› doesn't defend himself when I call him out until other townies actually start getting suspicious of him
[10:53:11] ‹MasterWalks› I switch votes randomly...
[10:53:28] ‹shockcannon› but is ian one to do that?
[10:53:34] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› dd seemed to be attempting to orchestrate votes to get rid of important town. I wanted to prevent him from doing too much
[10:53:46] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Calindu› Hes one of us
[10:53:53] ‹shockcannon› i made ian ragequit
[10:54:00] ‹shockcannon› gg mafia
[10:54:13] ‹Calindu› ‹@MasterWalks› ?
[10:54:33] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Calindu› Insigs reasoning to targeting dd is what we think of dd too
[10:54:51] ‹Calindu› No, that's not the reason that makes the most sense
[10:54:59] ‹iancudorinmarian› Tbh the only reason I am even talking to you is I have nothing better to do
[10:55:13] ‹Espithel› ‹@iancudorinmarian› Talk to me instead. We'll make it productive.
[10:55:14] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› sleep
[10:55:18] ‹Espithel› Hey. Do you have minecraft?
[10:55:19] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Sleep is always better than anything
[10:55:23] ‹Espithel› I can introduce you to my server. owo
[10:55:29] ‹iancudorinmarian› I dont
[10:55:45] ‹Calindu› Remember that dd caught a firefly N0, that's important
[10:56:01] ‹iancudorinmarian› Anyway, might as well finish with shock
[10:56:17] ‹iancudorinmarian› Re: random voting
[10:56:26] ‹iancudorinmarian› Read my N0 strategy
[10:56:42] ‹iancudorinmarian› And I always gave reasons for my votes
[10:57:15] ‹shockcannon› except they offer no cover for golden nymph
[10:57:27] ‹shockcannon› because you told everyone you were blocked 2 nights in a row
[10:57:34] ‹iancudorinmarian› Re:shared roles, I never shared any role
[10:57:36] ‹MasterWalks› If dd caught a firefly N0 that probably means he has roleblocking or kill role
[10:58:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from MasterWalks in Forum Games. ...but it's only a theory.
[10:58:28] ‹iancudorinmarian› I thought we agreed to say if we catch fireflies or we get blocked
[10:58:52] ‹iancudorinmarian› I could well be GN btw
[10:59:13] ‹MasterWalks› I think we should stop reporting firefly cathces
[10:59:54] ‹shockcannon› I think we have several dupilcate roles this game
[11:00:05] ‹shockcannon› which means several roles are just completely missing from the game as well
[11:00:08] ‹iancudorinmarian› Check EoR description
[11:00:27] ‹MasterWalks› Can FFQ have multiple fireflys out at a time?
[11:00:28] ‹Calindu› It's clear there is at least a duplicate role
[11:00:34] ‹Calindu› ‹@MasterWalks› Yes
[11:00:35] ‹iancudorinmarian› And you will see what I mean
[11:00:46] ‹shockcannon› if everyone is telling the truth
[11:00:50] ‹shockcannon› there are at least 2 FFQ
[11:00:59] ‹shockcannon› dawn and insig both claimed warden
[11:01:02] ‹shockcannon› so that's 2 wardens
[11:01:13] ‹MasterWalks› when did dawn claim ward?
[11:01:17] ‹iancudorinmarian› Why 2 wardens?
[11:01:43] ‹iancudorinmarian› I dont remember dawn claiming warden
[11:02:09] ‹Calindu› Yeah, I don't remember dawn claiming warden either
[11:02:22] ‹Calindu› IW hard claimed it
[11:02:30] ‹shockcannon› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[11:02:37] ‹shockcannon› did everyone miss that?
[11:02:43] ‹MasterWalks› lol
[11:02:43] ‹shockcannon› because that's pretty big info
[11:02:51] ‹MasterWalks› thats not about himself, hes talking about insig
[11:02:53] ‹shockcannon› oh
[11:02:58] ‹shockcannon› lol
[11:03:05] ‹shockcannon› i thought he talked about being warden in chat also though
[11:03:05] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› nub
[11:03:11] ‹shockcannon› which is why i thought he was refering to himself
[11:03:20] ‹shockcannon› let me check chatlogs because I swear he talked about it himself
[11:03:48] ‹Mobian› He was talking about it's usage, but never roleclaimed
[11:03:57] ‹Espithel› Can we be, er
[11:04:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Espithel in Forum Games. Good to the last word.
[11:04:04] ‹Espithel› SILENT
[11:04:08] ‹Espithel› For just a moment?
[11:04:16] ‹Espithel› We need to get this chatlog through.
[11:04:26] ‹Mobian› Nyet
[11:04:38] ‹Espithel› Oh fuck
[11:04:39] ‹Espithel› I refreshed
[11:04:41] ‹Espithel› eeer
[11:04:43] ‹MasterWalks› but we are not done yet
[11:04:49] ‹iancudorinmarian› A moment of silence for this chatlog
[11:04:57] ‹Mobian› F
[11:04:57] ‹Espithel› Yeah but you're blindsiding Root with knowledge he doesn't have!
[11:05:02] ‹MasterWalks› I can post when its done. Ive been here the whole time
[11:05:15] ‹Espithel› Do it in a two-parter now while we have this lull
[11:05:19] ‹Espithel› cheers
[11:05:23] ‹shockcannon› dawn definitely mentioned being warden
[11:05:28] ‹shockcannon› and that he didn't use it himself
[11:05:32] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@shockcannon› when??
[11:05:33] ‹iancudorinmarian› Lies
[11:05:45] ‹Mobian› Pretty sure you're crazy, shock

[MasterWalks]

To sum it up; Mostly talks on how dd may ore may not be orchestrating votes, talks on how this lynch on insig is a waste and its probably an orchestrated vote. Thats pretty much it. Some small talks on how roles work and some pressure from shock onto ian.

[MasterWalks]

Also, for clarification, Guest MinorPhoenix is shockcannon. Chrysaora is W3 who is not participating in mafia

[ddevans96]

[10:53:34] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› dd seemed to be attempting to orchestrate votes to get rid of important town. I wanted to prevent him from doing too much

Here are my 'orchestrations':
Espi: Didn't actually get lynched, still alive
jcj: Lynched to save self, because...Link 'orchestrated' a vote on me
IW: Isn't actually going to get lynched, because...Link is 'orchestrating' a vote on kaempfer

I don't have enough question marks to indicate what I think of these assertions. If anyone is 'orchestrating' anything, it would clearly be Link, not me. If I'm 'orchestrating' votes as mafia, I'm doing a very bad job of it compared to what I'm capable of.

Would you disagree that it's fair to say that you might just be tunneling again? It feels like you keeps bending the truth where I'm concerned.

What interaction history? The only interaction I had with kae is both of us defending Espi day 1.

Correct.

The only interaction I had with IW is me calling him out on possibly lying.

You two followed very comparable arcs through the first day. For that reason, I doubt you are both mafia. You'd be stepping on each other's toes too much. Same with you and kae (here I disagree with Espi, if I'm not mistaken). And I already think you're town, so kae and IW are the best lynch targets, from my perspective.

That's the thing, I am not sure exactly about the interaction between you two, I found some possible scenarios, but they all are strange:
...
3. IW mafia, dd town: Again, no reason to warden dd, even more of a strange play. But at the same time, IW could lie about the whole thing happening, for unknown reasons.

Plenty of reason to Warden me as mafia. Just because I didn't use my ability day one doesn't mean I couldn't use it against mafia in the future. And Warden gets information too - if mafia knows I'm town, and they see other town people use supportive abilities on me, they know what roles think I'm town - or conversely, if they see other town use roleblocks on me, they have a smokescreen to use.

I believe IW is town, since him lying this randomly or the mafia team targeting each other this early makes even less sense.

Early game is the best time to safely bus.

Alright now its pointless to hide it in case 4 people somehow missed that pms between mafia are allowed.

Doubtful. The entire concept of the game mafia is that the mafia faction is an informed minority that can communicate with each other. This post may as well read as 'in case four people, playing the game mafia, have never heard of the game mafia' - one person getting their feet wet with a new experience, sure, but not four people.

This is my first game of mafia here so noone would have noticed it as unusual if I held back and waited for responses from mafia before posting anything major. As such I think the one thing that makes you suspicious of me is actually my best defense here. I can go into even more detail about this shallow point if you request it.
But my waking up call was not a member of mafia pming me "wth are you doing man", it was me spending a day asking "why does almost noone agree with me?".

Agreed on all counts.

I am also suspicious of most people who are actively engaging in the discussion including you. But in your case I tell myself I need to sit back a bit.
The reason I am suspicious is because you avoided being lynched and pushed (with great ease) the lynch on town GA. I was in accord with that but seeing the outcome it's just not comfortable. But if you were town it's the only viable play you had left unless you have a shitty role, then the small chance to kill mafia might not be worth it. The last part is the reason I try to come to my senses and see reason. If you were mafia it's a good play but needs to rouse suspicion.

If you thought it looked easy, I'm flattered - that was the hardest I have ever worked to avoid being lynched. I was convinced Espi would return his vote to me and I had no chance to live.

I agree the play should logically be looked at with caution. Any time a town is lynched should be viewed as some level of suspicious.

The strongest connection is between you and insig. Albeit one-sided.

Correct, this is a stronger connection than either Cal-IW or Cal-kae. I don't think it's any stronger than MW-Espi, me-Link, or shock-iancu.

Since dd didn't use an ability N0, it doesn't make sense for a mafia to Ward him since he probably doesn't have a strong role.

Disagree, as per above.

It makes sense for town Insig to Ward dd since he was scumreading him

There's guaranteed at least one mafia on that train.

Agreed with both.

Move to kaempfer with me if you're town, dd.

[20:28:41] ‹dawn_to_dusk› dd in response to that post: "Nah dude I'm mafia lol lemme stick on IW"

I'm open to playing your game as I did with shock's, but I'm not doing it at severe risk to myself. If someone else moves to kaempfer, I will too.

[MasterWalks]

Well call me . I saw it coming.


[10:26:32] ‹shockcannon› I wanna see what ddevans tries when he's panicking
[10:27:52] ‹MasterWalks› hes going to cherry pick everyone's comments about him and dissect them until they are irrelevant like he has been doing.

[ddevans96]

[10:27:52] ‹MasterWalks› hes going to cherry pick everyone's comments about him and dissect them until they are irrelevant like he has been doing.

It's almost like I've played 60+ games between forum and chat in this community for people to see what my typical behavior is like.

You aren't a seer, you're a scholar. Still commendable, but not anything revelatory.

[RootRanger]

[10:09:50] ‹shockcannon› ian is 100% maf

I just want to comment that if ian ends up being civ this game, the log loss of shock's predictions becomes infinite, basically meaning that he's so incorrect that human measures of classification performance are incapable of describing how unreliable he is. Just something to think about in future mafias - that one of the people you're playing with is an infinitely unreliable teammate.