[19:40:17] ‹Linkcat› Why am I awake right now.
[19:41:23] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Linkcat› how much did you sleep?
[19:41:36] ‹Linkcat› 8 hours
[19:42:34] ‹Linkcat› Someone post what iancu said in the thread.
[19:44:52] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
(5d9) 2 + 4 + 9 + 6 + 9 = 30 ...
[19:51:16] ‹Guest-Condor-1ea56› 10 minutes left.
[19:51:16] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Linkcat› you slept 8 hours and you're wondering why you're awake at...almost noon?
[19:51:20] ‹ddevans96› I mean relatable, but
[19:52:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Submachine in Forum Games. Imagination at work.
[19:52:45] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› >mafia lynches a mafia
[19:54:18] ‹ddevans96› what if the mafia is me/Espi/MW/one other
[19:54:30] ‹ddevans96› how much would we have wrinkled brained this early game
[19:57:53] ‹Espithel› That would be beautiful.
[19:58:50] ‹Linkcat› If I'm the one other then someone is going to have an aneurysm.
[19:59:04] ‹Guest-Condor-1ea56› The last member is rob77dp.
[19:59:06] ‹Espithel› I would cum.
[20:00:00] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35›
(4d19) 15 + 10 + 11 + 12 = 48 ...?
[20:00:33] ‹MasterWalks›
(2d30) 27 + 2 = 29 ...
[20:02:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Submachine in Forum Games. I remember the days before this post...
[20:02:18] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› LOL
[20:03:23] ‹iancudorinmarian› Huh
[20:03:54] ‹iancudorinmarian› Roleblocked again *sigh*
[20:04:34] ‹iancudorinmarian› If any of you psion finds the mind flayer, lynch them immediately
[20:06:20] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
(5d9) 3 + 5 + 4 + 4 + 2 = 18 ...
[20:07:01] ‹Espithel› ‹@iancudorinmarian› Did you target the same person as last night?
[20:07:10] ‹iancudorinmarian› No
[20:07:17] ‹Espithel› Different person?
[20:07:21] ‹Espithel› Hmm.
[20:07:27] ‹Espithel› That makes the graboid unlikely.
[20:07:30] ‹Guest-Condor-1ea56› Please hold on tight until I send out night action results.
[20:07:44] ‹Guest-Condor-1ea56› They will come.
[20:07:57] ‹iancudorinmarian› I made sure to target someone unexpected and non-graboid
[20:08:00] ‹ddevans96› W A I T
[20:08:16] ‹iancudorinmarian› Both the people I targeted weren't graboid
[20:09:14] ‹RootRanger› So the options include
[20:09:25] ‹MasterWalks› Im starting to think its Ward
[20:09:27] ‹RootRanger› Being roleblocked by a mafia or a bad civ
[20:09:30] ‹MasterWalks› thats blocking you
[20:09:36] ‹RootRanger› Being wardened by a civ who thinks he knows what he's doing but doesn't
[20:09:37] ‹Linkcat› Hey Root.
[20:09:58] ‹MasterWalks› i think its mafia using ward on him
[20:10:00] ‹RootRanger› Hitting Anubis or Seraph
[20:10:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from MasterWalks in Forum Games. Is this the beginning of the end, or just the end of the beginning?
[20:10:04] ‹MasterWalks› or shock is being an ass
[20:10:13] ‹RootRanger› Or ian is mafia lying to get a roleblocking role lynched
[20:10:14] ‹iancudorinmarian› I did not target Oa
[20:10:20] ‹RootRanger› Could absolutely be shock roleblocking ian twice
[20:10:34] ‹iancudorinmarian› Sure, I could be lying
[20:10:40] ‹RootRanger› It might be that mafia is wardening another mafia
[20:10:52] ‹RootRanger› To protect against GN
[20:10:59] ‹iancudorinmarian› But getting roleblock killed isnt useful if I am mafia
[20:11:10] ‹RootRanger› I wouldn't assume roleblock if an ability fails once, but twice against separate people is unlikely
[20:11:27] ‹RootRanger› If mafia has a Psion
[20:11:30] ‹RootRanger› Also hi linkcat
[20:11:39] ‹iancudorinmarian› I dont think shock is flayer
[20:11:48] ‹RootRanger› If mafia has a Psion and finds a civ flayer/warden
[20:12:02] ‹RootRanger› They can have one mafia claim to be roleblocked, and another out someone
[20:12:02] ‹Espithel› I want shock to be the golden nymph
[20:12:08] ‹iancudorinmarian› Also, I still think Mobian is mafia
[20:12:09] ‹Espithel› That'd be the greatest meme
[20:12:09] ‹RootRanger› But
[20:12:12] ‹RootRanger› This strategy would kinda suck tbh
[20:12:19] ‹RootRanger› Seems like a huge risk for a small reward
[20:12:37] ‹ddevans96› good summon, 15 seconds
[20:12:45] ‹MasterWalks› If shock is flayer, then it makes total sense he is blocking you since he has expressed sus to ian. Him blocking ian twice is a total shock move
[20:14:01] ‹Espithel› It does.
[20:14:10] ‹Espithel› Assuming that's the case, is he scum for doing so?
[20:14:38] ‹MasterWalks› probably, but its day 2 and he promised an info dump today
[20:14:47] ‹Espithel› Wasn't that day 3?
[20:15:01] ‹MasterWalks› he moved it around a couple times so yea maybe
[20:15:16] ‹RootRanger› Hm
[20:15:28] ‹iancudorinmarian› In day 3 it's going to be day 4
[20:15:31] ‹iancudorinmarian› And do on
[20:15:33] ‹RootRanger› Yeah he did suspect ian for some reason, I don't really think he had reasoning behind it
[20:15:38] ‹iancudorinmarian› So
[20:15:49] ‹MasterWalks› If mafia has psion and flayer, killing seraph makes it easy for them
[20:16:01] ‹iancudorinmarian› Shock isnt GN
[20:16:29] ‹RootRanger› Seraph was on cooldown tonight anyways
[20:16:34] ‹RootRanger› last night*
[20:16:35] ‹MasterWalks› i caught a firefly
[20:17:10] ‹MasterWalks› If he used it N0 then yea its on cooldown but its very possible he didnt use it considering the math of him getting NK N0
[20:18:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from MasterWalks in Forum Games. I found Wally.
[20:18:57] ‹ddevans96› is it not a safe assumption the FFQ and/or MW are town? i.e. they won't both be mafia?
[20:19:25] ‹Linkcat› No
[20:19:32] ‹Espithel› Depends. FFQ on an ER ability pretty much guarantees the firefly stays alive.
[20:19:41] ‹MasterWalks› FFQ im not too sure. Its very possible they are mafia
[20:19:48] ‹Espithel› Although Walks did just imply he has an EoR ability so er
[20:19:57] ‹Espithel› awkward
[20:19:59] ‹MasterWalks› And no not necessarily. Not every ER should be used ER
[20:20:33] ‹ddevans96› hm, I suppose you're right
[20:21:33] ‹Mobian› Yeah... I elected not to use my ability last night. It'll probably be some time before I do
[20:22:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Submachine in Forum Games. Awww yisssss. Mutha. Effin. Breadcrumbs.
[20:23:46] ‹MasterWalks› someone post something that has some info pls
[20:24:09] ‹RootRanger› I've got no hard info but I have suspicions based on how people are playing
[20:24:31] ‹MasterWalks› make a tier list of suspicions
[20:24:43] ‹RootRanger› Hmm
[20:25:00] ‹RootRanger› So tbh I haven't had time to follow it super closely
[20:25:03] ‹Mobian› I have nothing but suspicions myself.
[20:25:09] ‹RootRanger› But I have one person in mind who I think we should lynch and that's shock
[20:25:48] ‹MasterWalks› i want to see his info dump tbh
[20:25:56] ‹Espithel› The general consensus on Shock is he's not worth our time.
[20:25:57] ‹Linkcat› lol
[20:26:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from iancudorinmarian in Forum Games. I'm pretty sure...
[20:26:05] ‹RootRanger› Well
[20:26:10] ‹RootRanger› He's roleblocking ian which I don't like
[20:26:12] ‹Linkcat› Of course you want to lynch shock.
[20:26:18] ‹RootRanger› There's a limited number of roles that are actually useful for civs
[20:26:27] ‹Linkcat› You don't even know that.
[20:26:37] ‹ddevans96› we don't know for sure he's roleblocking iancu, it just seems likely
[20:26:42] ‹RootRanger› My policy is that if someone is acting in the best interest of mafia, they should be lynched, even if we think they're jsut a civ playing poorly
[20:26:46] ‹Linkcat› All of them are useful.
[20:26:48] ‹RootRanger› Well, yeah
[20:26:52] ‹RootRanger› Disagree
[20:27:04] ‹Linkcat› That's wrong too, never lynch a civ.
[20:27:21] ‹RootRanger› If they're c onfirmed civ then ofc not
[20:27:24] ‹RootRanger› But if we have no hard info on everyone
[20:27:33] ‹RootRanger› And there's one guy who is making an effort to screw over the civs
[20:27:36] ‹iancudorinmarian› Oh, my ability failed and I caught a firefly
[20:27:39] ‹RootRanger› It's a clear choice to me
[20:27:41] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
(5d9) 1 + 5 + 1 + 6 + 2 = 15 ...
[20:27:45] ‹Espithel› Two fireflies caught.
[20:27:49] ‹Espithel› Excuse me.
[20:27:50] ‹Espithel› What.
[20:27:51] ‹RootRanger› Hm
[20:27:57] ‹RootRanger› We can have two FFQs
[20:28:00] ‹Linkcat› Always lynch whoever has the highest chance of being mafia.
[20:28:13] ‹RootRanger› Yes and no
[20:28:21] ‹RootRanger› Players like shock undermine the civ's ability to find mafias
[20:28:29] ‹Linkcat› ‹@MasterWalks› ‹@iancudorinmarian› Did you guys hurt the fireflies?
[20:28:47] ‹RootRanger› There's a limited number of useful roles, since roles like MInd Flayer and Otyugh honestly shouldn't be used by the civs at all in early game
[20:28:57] ‹RootRanger› ian has one of those roles, and he's being blocked
[20:29:02] ‹RootRanger› that's hurting the civ's prospects
[20:29:16] ‹RootRanger› I think it's unlikely ian is mafia trying to frame roleblocking civ roles
[20:29:28] ‹RootRanger› Since it would be a huge risk to pull off just to kill 1 person and then get outed
[20:29:37] ‹iancudorinmarian› Flayer is higher priority than firefly
[20:29:46] ‹iancudorinmarian› So that is how I caught it
[20:29:56] ‹RootRanger› He could be a mafia getting roleblocked, I suppose
[20:30:00] ‹iancudorinmarian› It cant see higher prio roles
[20:30:14] ‹RootRanger› Anyone could be mafia tho so I wouldn't use that reasoning
[20:30:28] ‹iancudorinmarian› @link I keep then in a jar
[20:30:34] ‹iancudorinmarian› Them
[20:30:51] ‹Linkcat› Just in case your dreams get real bizzare?
[20:30:57] ‹Mobian› I will say that mine is one of the combo roles, and I won't be using it until I find someone trustworthy
[20:31:13] ‹MasterWalks› No i has him in a jar. named him francis
[20:31:16] ‹RootRanger› So basically what I'm saying is that ian is likely a civ with a useful role, and shock is likely the one roleblocking him - that makes for a clear choice in my mind
[20:31:29] ‹Linkcat› Please don't out your role.
[20:31:42] ‹Espithel› By the way. Because I love you.
[20:31:43] ‹RootRanger› Ofc not
[20:31:48] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› I wasn't roleblocked. :^)
[20:32:01] ‹RootRanger› But someone who uses their role at all in the early rounds is more important than half the roles in this game which are not very useful at all
[20:32:12] ‹MasterWalks› no one except me is sus of you then
[20:32:28] ‹Linkcat› That was to Mobian.
[20:32:43] ‹RootRanger› OH, yeah
[20:32:47] ‹MasterWalks› I will have to put my focus elsewhere until i can get concrete evidence that you are mafia
[20:32:56] ‹Espithel› Attaboy!
[20:33:03] ‹Espithel› You've gotta stay flexible in mafia.
[20:33:06] ‹RootRanger› Concrete evidence can only come from 1 person in the game and we don't want him revealing his identity
[20:33:29] ‹RootRanger› I'm open to chancing the lynch on Espi, but I'd want MW to be lynched afterward if Espi turns civ
[20:33:58] ‹RootRanger› Although since he just said he wasn't roleblocked, he could have a useful role too which I wouldn't want to lynch
[20:34:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Espithel in Forum Games. The grammar could use some work.
[20:34:08] ‹RootRanger› Still feel bad about jcj :/
[20:34:09] ‹MasterWalks› not necessarily. I wait for him to slip up then blast the hell outta that slip up until people are convinced.
[20:34:21] ‹Espithel› But what if I never slip up
[20:34:23] ‹Espithel› :^)
[20:34:34] ‹PlayerOa› Oh I died
[20:34:35] ‹PlayerOa› Rip
[20:34:44] ‹Linkcat› F
[20:34:45] ‹MasterWalks› mafia always slips up and you are probably a bit rusty
[20:34:47] ‹MasterWalks› F
[20:35:04] ‹ddevans96› F
[20:35:05] ‹RootRanger› Eh
[20:35:14] ‹Mobian› F
[20:35:16] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@PlayerOa› More time for next league season!
[20:35:17] ‹RootRanger› We can hold off on the lynch on Espi for a few rounds if we want
[20:35:18] ‹iancudorinmarian› F
[20:35:25] ‹MasterWalks› speaking of
[20:35:27] ‹Espithel› G
[20:35:29] ‹RootRanger› But if MW dies and turns civ I'd want Espi lynched immediately after
[20:35:36] ‹ddevans96› yeah, again, if you think Root is rusty in a -logic game-, I think you're crazy
[20:35:49] ‹RootRanger› Or if it gets to lynch-or-die then I think Espi is still a solid choice
[20:35:53] ‹ddevans96› maybe that's just you not knowing Root, but
[20:35:54] ‹RootRanger› ty dd <3
[20:36:00] ‹MasterWalks› No not root
[20:36:02] ‹MasterWalks› espi
[20:36:10] ‹ddevans96› oh
[20:36:12] ‹Espithel› Why do you want me lynched if MW turns civ
[20:36:14] ‹Espithel› I don't care about him
[20:36:19] ‹Espithel› Stop making me care about him
[20:36:22] ‹Espithel› aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAA
[20:36:25] ‹ddevans96› people were saying that about Root earlier in the game, so guess I misunderstood here
[20:36:41] ‹RootRanger› God it was so frustrating last game tbh
[20:36:53] ‹MasterWalks› i care about you espi. you should care about me. :heart:
[20:36:54] ‹RootRanger› When civs were roleblocking each other and hiding information from their confirmed civ
[20:37:13] ‹RootRanger› And then I lynch one of 'em and everyone's like "root dumb"
[20:37:21] ‹MasterWalks› *cough* insig *cough*
[20:37:25] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@MasterWalks› Lol like I spent hours of hours of mafia analysis anyway.
[20:37:30] ‹ddevans96› yeah, last game was a shitshow to watch lol
[20:37:32] ‹iancudorinmarian› NoobRanger
[20:37:33] ‹RootRanger› yeah.... it's k now tho
[20:37:46] • Espithel licks Walks
[20:38:14] ‹RootRanger› So
[20:38:37] ‹RootRanger› My lynch order would go 1.) shock 2.) Espi
[20:38:54] ‹MasterWalks› too far
[20:39:07] ‹RootRanger› wdym?
[20:39:19] • Espithel fucking glomps Walks
[20:39:20] ‹Espithel› OwO
[20:39:28] ‹RootRanger› I see the merits of waiting a few rounds to lynch Espi
[20:39:33] ‹Espithel› What's it like being cared about
[20:39:45] ‹MasterWalks› not good
[20:39:46] ‹RootRanger› Just as long as we remember the mW/Espi feud
[20:40:17] ‹Linkcat› I really don't think there's anything there.
[20:40:19] ‹Espithel› What
[20:40:25] ‹Espithel› Feud
[20:40:33] ‹Linkcat› It's just a normal scumread.
[20:40:35] ‹RootRanger› Idk maybe feud is the wrong word
[20:40:43] ‹RootRanger› Eh it felt stronger than a normal scumread
[20:40:46] ‹Linkcat› A bad one.
[20:40:51] ‹iancudorinmarian› ‹@RootRanger› btw, last game you wanted to lynch me even though I was hiding nothing from you D:
[20:40:52] ‹Espithel› That's because Walks has conviction
[20:41:00] ‹Espithel› He has the power of god and anime on his side#
[20:41:07] ‹RootRanger› @ian you literally never PMed me your targets bruh
[20:41:08] ‹ddevans96› 'feud' is a term my group uses for -any- conflict where we shouldn't be trusting either side, one-sided or not
[20:41:11] ‹RootRanger› Also
[20:41:14] ‹ddevans96› I shouldn'
[20:41:20] ‹RootRanger› It was lynch-or-die and if I killed you, it would kill Mobian as well bc of your role
[20:41:24] ‹ddevans96› I shouldn't have used it here, but it is what it is
[20:41:43] ‹RootRanger› My scumreads at that point were you, sub, mobian, and by lynching you I would kill 2 people on the list instead of just 1
[20:41:54] ‹RootRanger› So
[20:42:02] ‹RootRanger› I have an idea of what's happening with MW/Espi but don't want to outright say it
[20:42:09] ‹RootRanger› I think for now
[20:42:11] ‹RootRanger› we should focus on other targets
[20:42:23] ‹RootRanger› ie shock
[20:42:42] ‹Linkcat› Just because he pushed it hard doesn't make it a better read, I do that all the time.
[20:46:31] ‹MyNameIsJoey› Hey Root, been a while
[20:46:39] ‹MyNameIsJoey› In hindsight, hey everybody else, been a while as well
[20:46:42] ‹MyNameIsJoey›
[20:47:00] ‹Mobian› Welcome back
[20:47:23] ‹ddevans96› o/
[20:47:53] ‹MyNameIsJoey› not back per se, just in chat, looking to see if someone answered my request in forum earlier, looks like no answers yet.
[20:48:00] ‹RootRanger› Oh hey joey
[20:48:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements PvP League - Suggestions and Fee... from MasterWalks in PvP League. There is no spit in this post!
[20:48:46] ‹iancudorinmarian› Hey jijo
[20:48:57] ‹iancudorinmarian› #bringjijoback
[20:48:59] ‹Mobian› Can someone upload this chat?
[20:49:43] ‹Guest-Condor-1ea56› If the chat doesn't continue, I can upload it.
[20:49:55] ‹Guest-Condor-1ea56› Otherwise I would let it continue.
[20:50:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from RootRanger in Forum Games. Am I sexy for knowing that?
[20:50:53] ‹MasterWalks› is anyone against lynching kaempf?
[20:51:09] ‹MasterWalks› I am starting to think he is playing as a first time mafia
[20:51:48] ‹ddevans96› we tossed that possibility around a bit last round
[20:51:53] ‹Linkcat› I still want to lynch him.
[20:51:56] ‹ddevans96› I'm still not really for or against it
[20:52:12] ‹MasterWalks› I think we should apply some pressure
[20:52:20] ‹RootRanger› Could someone summarize the argument against kamepf
[20:52:27] ‹RootRanger› I'd been reading the thread but not super closely
[20:52:56] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
(5d9) 8 + 9 + 9 + 6 + 5 = 37 ...!
[20:54:07] ‹MyNameIsJoey› I'm in the opinion in mafia that
[20:54:13] ‹MyNameIsJoey› No argument for is an argument against.
[20:55:00] ‹ddevans96› k
[20:55:10] ‹Linkcat› He was awkward and then suddenly wasn't awkward, I think this is because he talked to his mafia team and then adjusted his play.
[20:56:11] ‹RootRanger› Hm
[20:56:17] ‹MasterWalks› kaempf is not usually an awkward person too. Hes usually clean cut in his decisions and has a lot of personal confidence. He blames his awkwardness on being new to the Mafia game
[20:56:28] ‹RootRanger› Being new isn't hard if you're civ lol
[20:56:31] ‹MasterWalks› which i find a bit strange
[20:56:35] ‹MasterWalks› exactly
[20:56:38] ‹RootRanger› I see the merits of it
[20:56:55] ‹RootRanger› So I'd be ok with a lynch on shock/Espi/kaempf then
[20:57:09] ‹RootRanger› I still prefer shock because it's going based on hard information
[20:57:27] ‹RootRanger› ie results of direct roles rather than reads on playstyle
[20:58:25] ‹Mobian› ‹@RootRanger› you're assuming Shock was honest about his role. I'm not certain he was.
[20:58:50] ‹RootRanger› Claiming a role you don't have generally isn't a good civ strategy
[20:59:00] ‹RootRanger› I'm hugely against civs lying as part of their strategy
[20:59:02] ‹ddevans96› he kinda did backpedal Flayer, and then he backpedaled -that-
[20:59:17] ‹RootRanger› If we don't call them out for it, mafia can lie too, and that makes them way harder to deal with
[20:59:24] ‹ddevans96› so...yeah, if you want to policy lynch based on lying, then at some point he certainly was
[20:59:26] ‹RootRanger› Idk
[20:59:33] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Mobian› The problem is, its not looking good on him right now that he claimed Flayer and put sus on ian, then ian gets blocked twice in a row
[20:59:34] ‹RootRanger› If nobody wants to lynch shock I'm still ok with the other 2 options
[20:59:53] ‹RootRanger› YEah, policy lynch is a good way of putting it
[20:59:56] ‹ddevans96› but he never claimed to block iancu, and claimed that he didn't
[21:00:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from ddevans96 in Forum Games. Awww yisssss. Mutha. Effin. Breadcrumbs.
[21:01:16] ‹Mobian› Shock is also less vocal this game, which is likely an attempt to control himself.... yeah, better safe than sorry
[21:01:24] ‹iancudorinmarian› There could well be 2 flayers
[21:01:48] ‹ddevans96› yeah, that's a possibility
[21:01:50] ‹iancudorinmarian› Though I find that unliky
[21:02:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from MasterWalks in Forum Games. Be sure to give them a raise!
[21:02:04] ‹iancudorinmarian› Since noone else claimed to be blocked
[21:02:46] ‹MasterWalks› ok ill be back in like 6 hours. No lynch on me pls
[21:03:13] ‹RootRanger› I should get some work done as well
[21:03:17] ‹RootRanger› Will follow the thread