Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine

[Ginyu]

The night ending in 24 hours or more. Against it (0) - Not against it (6) - Mobian, MasterWalks, Espithel, Calindu, iancudorinmarian, Ginyu

The night ending earlier if everyone sent in their role uses. Against it (4) - Espithel, Calindu, iancudorinmarian, Ginyu Not against it (2) - Mobian, MasterWalks

The night ending in 2 days or more. Against it (6) - Mobian, MasterWalks, Espithel, Calindu, iancudorinmarian, Ginyu Not against it (0) -

Night ending earlier would crash the schedule which would cause chaos. Nobody loves chaos. Gravity is king.

[iancudorinmarian]

I agree with Ginyu. I don't want to have to have people delay their ability use until the last moment just to keep the schedule.

[iancudorinmarian]

Back on the game for a bit, should I say who I targeted?

[PlayerOa]

Back on the game for a bit, should I say who I targeted?

That completely depends on your ability, which only you know. I'd say keep your cards close to your chest, but it's all up to you really. Only you would know if that info helps us or not.

[MasterWalks]

Gahh I guess I'll go first.

Also, while we're at it. There's this corner of the forum called http://elementscommunity.org/forum/who.
It lets you see what people are looking at, or even what they're posting in:



I would like to ask that, in the name of sportsmanship, we don't use this. It's been used in previous mafias in the past and I've always hated it, as it's obscure and, in my opinion, against the spirit of the game. I'm telling you all about it just to make absolutely sure you're all aware of this.

If the group's fine with it, you can absolutely bet your anuses that I'm going to be mashing F5 on it, seeing what we can get. I'd encourage everyone else to do the same - no message-sending is safe. We'd find all the messaging roles (including who sends the nightkill) by the first night.

There's probably a way to turn it off:

But I don't know how. We should probably figure that out.

If it was me with total power, I'd have Dwaddy Swubmwachine (owo) modkill any proven instances, but that's tricky to moderate as he'd have to mash F5. I think Dwaddy Swubmwachine (owo) has better things to do with his time.

Discuss.

Oh this is super sketchy. Espi had options here.
He continues to use it without telling anyone. Thats real Mafia spirit. He uses a tool to his advantage until told otherwise. The only thing this tool can do to rise suspicion is tell you if someone is sending a PM. So this doesnt role reveal meaning the only person this tool is harmful to is Mafia. The only people who wouldn't want this tool used is Mafia. So Espi asking in public is super weird. He couldve asked sub in private just as easy. But it sounds like he wants to tool banned. His excuse? The spirit of Mafia.
Damn good excuse tbh. HOWEVER, asking about its legality in public is still really weird. It doesnt sit right with me. Espi doesnt sit right with me overall tbh. Lemme break it down into pros and cons.

Pros if we lynch
Mafia Kill
No more owo posts

Cons
Possible civ kill tho i doubt it.

Pros outweigh the cons.

Espithel (1) - MasterWalks

[mathman101]

Have only skimmed due to being at work, but it looks like there is a lot of discussion going on which is good.

Back on the game for a bit, should I say who I targeted?

That completely depends on your ability, which only you know. I'd say keep your cards close to your chest, but it's all up to you really. Only you would know if that info helps us or not.

I agree with this, if you think it will help us post, otherwise hold onto the cards until we need the info or right before you might die.

[Submachine]

Night ending earlier would crash the schedule which would cause chaos. Nobody loves chaos. Gravity is king.

I agree with Ginyu. I don't want to have to have people delay their ability use until the last moment just to keep the schedule.

I also agree with this, so even though the Night would end earlier, the Day phase would still end on the same hour, making the Day phase as longer as the Night phase was shorter. This would be most effective on later Nights though, with much less players alive.

[Espithel]

vore me daddy

Pros to Lynching InsignificantWeeaboo:
Mafia Kill
No more Vore

Cons to Lynching InsignificantWeeaboo:
Possible civ kill, although I doubt it.

The pros outweigh the cons.

Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel

(This is a rhetorical vote. I don't actually believe that Weebs should be lynched. Not enough evidence.)

Back on the game for a bit, should I say who I targeted?

You've already told the entire group, including the mafia, you have a role that targets. That's already pretty brazen of you.
That's really the bit the mafia care about when they decide who to kill - the role itself. The roles they hate the most all target, so you've basically just asked to be nightkilled at some point. Same goes for you too, Walks.

Since you've already claimed that, I would tell the group who you targeted, then we can ask them why your ability didn't go through.
Here are the possibilities. There may be more, but these are the ones I can think of:
- They're a shrieker or a graboid.
- You got roleblocked.
- You hit someone who got blind immortaled (either anubis targeting themself or, maliciously, another mafia member.)
- Depending on your ability, you hit someone who got blind adrenalined (either targeting themself or, maliciously, another mafia member.)
- You got guarded.
Some of these imply you hit a mafia, so I think it's worth persuing.

If you're going to go all the way, you could explain why you targeted that person, but that comes pretty close to a straight roleclaim, so I'd be very careful if you do.

[MasterWalks]

Back on the game for a bit, should I say who I targeted?

No. Its going to give mafia information more than town.
If you say who you targeted, and it's NOT a mafia, then mafia knows not to target the same person you did since they are most likely burrowed, giving them the upperhand and a way to tell who is who by process of elimination

[iancudorinmarian]

Tbh, me getting nightkilled just spares someone else with a better role, so I'm fine with dying for the greater good at some point.

Anyway, I'll hold onto that info for a while.

[kaempfer13]

Chances are the mafia already targeted someone they couldnt and as espithel said, if the reason it failed was because the target was protected it slightly increases the chances of the protegee to be a mafia.

As for now, regardless of whether you are town or not, I feel like you are not really helping town. So my vote goes to you for now, though the accusation is primarily incompetence and any hotter lead will sway me.

Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (1) - kaempfer13

[MasterWalks]

As for now, regardless of whether you are town or not, I feel like you are not really helping town. So my vote goes to you for now, though the accusation is primarily incompetence

Enlighten me please.

I argued for using the tool, which only harms mafia.
I told ian not to spill any beans, as that would only help mafia.

I'm not sure what else i can do to help town. I cant role reveal, or that would help mafia. I cant say what/if i gathered information, or that would help mafia. I am the second most active member on this thread so its not like I'm hiding in the shadows or anything. While im not arguing against your vote necessarily, I am arguing for your reason.