Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine

[ddevans96]

2.) We also need to hold off on using roleblocking/kill roles.

I agree with everything except this part. Last game, mafia had a psion. If mafia has another role revealing ability, potentially blocking them will slow mafia down a bunch. Late game we can get strategical with it.

Late game, most definitely, but early game, I think Root and Oa are right. There's too much risk involved with random and low-information targets. I'd like to see most offensive and defensive roles not used for this night - after that, we have something of substance to work with.

[Submachine]

Night 0 Lore is now updated.

[Ginyu]

Agree with Root. It is very important to have the Golden Nymph trigger, and the less roleblocking we use, the safer it is.

On another note, we should be primarely talking during the Day Phase, as by then we are the first to get value from that information. If something is revealed at Night, mafia might gain momentum.

[Espithel]

Currently poking through the rules. Will make sporadic posts asking about stuff while I'm at work.

Golden Nymph - EoR
Precognition - Target a player. Reveal their Primary role to you. You cannot be protected from the Nightkill. Exactly one Elemental and zero False Gods always start with this role.

Dwaddy Swubmwachine? Can the nymph not be nightkill-protected at all, or only during nights that ability is activated? owo?

Firefly Queen - ER
Queen - Generate a firefly that follows target player. The fireflies will report back to you each Night with all abilities that they saw activated, but the cute little buggers aren't smart enough to tell you whether an ability was used by your target or on your target. Fireflies are unaffected by all abilities that prevent targeting. If a firefly doesn't witness any abilities, it will wander up to your target and be caught. The target will be notified if they catch a firefly. Fireflies cannot report higher priority activity and will act as not seeing an ability if that's the only thing they would see.

Should we report catching a firefly to the group or not? I feel like we should, but there might be unintended consequences that I may not be aware of.

[Submachine]

Can the nymph not be nightkill-protected at all, or only during nights that ability is activated?

The nymph cannot be nightkill-protected at all.

[kaempfer13]

Mostly agree with root but Ghost of the past drawback is minor and could help identify people who cant be targeted that phase and iridium warden also gains some info with each use. Might be worth using those. Killing people willy nilly is of course sth thats reservered to mafia and early lynches while one time use kills should only be used when you are fairly sure it gets the right person.
About queen reporting I dont know either. Not 100% sure i fully understand it either, but we got the promise it will be clarified.

All PMs banned? surely not to Host, but yh huge nerf for town (so us). I guess with everything that went wrong last time and town still winning I suppose thats fair.

[Espithel]

Also, while we're at it. There's this corner of the forum called http://elementscommunity.org/forum/who.
It lets you see what people are looking at, or even what they're posting in:



I would like to ask that, in the name of sportsmanship, we don't use this. It's been used in previous mafias in the past and I've always hated it, as it's obscure and, in my opinion, against the spirit of the game. I'm telling you all about it just to make absolutely sure you're all aware of this.

If the group's fine with it, you can absolutely bet your anuses that I'm going to be mashing F5 on it, seeing what we can get. I'd encourage everyone else to do the same - no message-sending is safe. We'd find all the messaging roles (including who sends the nightkill) by the first night.

There's probably a way to turn it off:

But I don't know how. We should probably figure that out.

If it was me with total power, I'd have Dwaddy Swubmwachine (owo) modkill any proven instances, but that's tricky to moderate as he'd have to mash F5. I think Dwaddy Swubmwachine (owo) has better things to do with his time.

Discuss.

[iancudorinmarian]

You can't turn it off, it appears like that because he's viewing a secret section.

Also, I don't think anyone used that.

[MasterWalks]

Yep was doing council stuff, i didnt know that even existed or how/if you can turn it off.

While its a kinda cool tool, I dont see how it could be used against someone. If someone is sending a PM, there is absolutely no way of knowing if thats a mafia or a civvy or anything. The PM could be to anyone about anything. If it was against the rules, it would be crazy hard to moderate. Am i missing something in the way that it can be used against someone?

[moehrpi]

2.) We also need to hold off on using roleblocking/kill roles. This refers to Warden, Toadfish, Otyugh, Mind Flayer, Arctic Squid, Ghost of the Past. If we use these roles on random targets, it's likely that an important role (Golden Nymph, or even GA/Psion/Dragonfly) will be blocked, or a civilian with an important role will be killed. We had civilians roleblocking civilians last game and it was a nightmare. Yes, it's possible that a mafia with psion or roleblocking could be blocked, but even more likely we block one of own civs. If you have good reason to be suspicious of someone, then yeah you can roleblock them (although I almost always disagree with renegade kill roles being used unless it's a last ditch effort to win), but otherwise I wouldn't use them.

Thoughts? Agree/disagree?

Mostly agree with root but Ghost of the past drawback is minor and could help identify people who cant be targeted that phase and iridium warden also gains some info with each use. Might be worth using those. Killing people willy nilly is of course sth thats reservered to mafia and early lynches while one time use kills should only be used when you are fairly sure it gets the right person.
About queen reporting I dont know either. Not 100% sure i fully understand it either, but we got the promise it will be clarified.

GotP can potentially fuck up everything. I don't think it's that good of an idea to use it early. Warden on the other hand can gather quite a bit of information I guess. So I think it might be worth blocking a random role.


I am wondering how useful Nymphs are. Green and Amber seem to good to cast onto oneself especially if Warden/Squid are mafia. Turquoise/Anubis doesn't look powerful at all. I don't see the benefit of an Immortal army for town. Does mafia benefit? Should we not use it at all? If we find that there are a couple protected people we can assume they are mafia.

Rule question: Do people with Adrenaline know they are frozen? Does the ability fail?

Is there any sensible way to get publicly confirmed civ? If no does this mean Crusader has to use its ability on a wing and prayer?

My scum read is iancu. He is trying to trick us there are only three mafia.



I am also against using the who function. Although I did follow the link just now. ~~

[iancudorinmarian]

lol, I just thought it's the same number of mafia as last game. Only now saw that there's 4 of them.

And please don't roleblock random people...

[kaempfer13]

I dont like it. Reason: Unreliability and if it works better than I give it Credit for it makes activity even more taxing.  Especially people with staff roles or an ongoing pvpevent will be sending plenty of messages unrelated to mafia and youd have to watch 24/7. In case you are subtly trying to incriminate me as the only message sender, I was giving shock deckadvice completely unrelated to this game. He can probably vouch for that.