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Who played the best mafia?

iancudorinmarian
0 (0%)
Linkcat
9 (15.5%)
PlayerOa
0 (0%)
JonathanCrazyJ
0 (0%)
immortal_feud
0 (0%)
kaempfer13
9 (15.5%)
ddevans96
8 (13.8%)
dawn to dusk
0 (0%)
InsignificantWeeaboo
0 (0%)
Espithel
4 (6.9%)
MasterWalks
1 (1.7%)
Mobian
1 (1.7%)
mathman101
0 (0%)
RootRanger
6 (10.3%)
shockcannon
6 (10.3%)
Ginyu
9 (15.5%)
Calindu
5 (8.6%)
moehrpi
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 19

Voting closed: June 24, 2019, 11:12:55 am

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Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67178.msg1290634#msg1290634
« Reply #840 on: June 08, 2019, 01:07:11 am »
EBWOP:

Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Espithel, ddevans96
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Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67178.msg1290635#msg1290635
« Reply #841 on: June 08, 2019, 01:09:02 am »
shockcannon (4) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101,
Espithel (2) - ddevans96, shockcannon
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Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67178.msg1290636#msg1290636
« Reply #842 on: June 08, 2019, 01:11:04 am »
Do you have a point, shock?
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Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67178.msg1290637#msg1290637
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forgot to address one thing: when did IW block you Calindu?
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Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67178.msg1290638#msg1290638
« Reply #844 on: June 08, 2019, 01:28:06 am »
Putting these 4 together now. We know espithel was mafia. We know MW knew espithel was mafia since day 1. We know a lot of other people are town. Let's take a look at some votes from various days.

Start of Day 2
Welp.

While I wait for people to start shit:

immortal feud (1) - Espithel

feel like espithel is mafia
feel like link and shock are town

C'mon, this is mafia. That's a really threadbare analysis. Would you mind elaborating on it?

Is this a bus?


Middle of Day 2
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (6) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon, ddevans96, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - Iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (3) - Espithel, Mobian

Insig is neutral but chaotic for me. dd is town lean with a lot of information attached to his lynch. But I'll give you an out.

Is there bussing going on here? Would bussing at this exact point in time in voting be a good move for mafia? Personally I don't think there's any bussing here at all, unless mafia wants to hedge their bets. What does this tell us? Well, if we assume no bussing in a close voting phase....Immortal and Insig are not both mafia. Linkcat and ddevans are not both mafia. Insig and ddevans are not both mafia. Root and Insig are not both mafia. mathman and mobian are not both mafia.

Obviously bussing is very possible, but we're grasping at straws here and I personally am okay taking a gamble by saying there was no bussing during this voting snapshot. That gives us the above assumptions I just listed out, which are extremely helpful for narrowing things down.



Start of Day 3
EBWOP:

Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Espithel, ddevans96
shockcannon (3) - Calindu, MasterWalks, Linkcat

Let's pretend Calindu doesn't have proof that my GN claim was wrong. Does town go through with this lynch? Or does town continue to not trust me. What does mafia think will happen? Espithel voted on Linkcat before Calindu revealed. I'm not sure what that tells us but I think it's quite interesting. He's clearly playing the support shockcannon move, but does that mean Linkcat is town? Espithel claims he knew GN was MW by this point in time. That means he knows I'm lying. If Linkcat is mafia, does Espithel bus him? I don't know if that play makes sense. Maybe ddevans is mafia and Espithel and ddevans both go in hoping no one has info that I'm not actually GN. But Calindu already revealed by this point. ddevans puts his vote on claiming that he wasn't the anubis who protected Linkcat. This means ddevans at this point assumes Calindu AND Linkcat are lying. Bold assumption. But if ddevans was mafia, he would know whether or not Linkcat and Calindu were town. Would he risk exposing himself but continuing to vote Linkcat? Is ddevans just playing the aggressive mafia who is amazed he's still alive and figures why not keep causing chaos if town never lynches me? I don't think this makes sense either.

Personally, I think voting snapshot shows that BOTH Linkcat and ddevans are town.


Middle of Day 3
shockcannon (4) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101,
Espithel (2) - ddevans96, shockcannon
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks

Not much analysis here, but I think this voting snapshot is still quite interesting. I have some opinions about what we can gain from this but I'll save them for now. The above 3 are more important. This is only icing on the cake.
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Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67178.msg1290639#msg1290639
« Reply #845 on: June 08, 2019, 01:33:13 am »
Also, the more mafia we find, the more information we can gain from past voting. Now that we have found 1 mafia, we should REALLY REALLY REALLY be looking at past voting to form our reads.
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Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67178.msg1290640#msg1290640
« Reply #846 on: June 08, 2019, 02:30:04 am »
Start of Day 2
Spoiler for Hidden:
Welp.

While I wait for people to start shit:

immortal feud (1) - Espithel

feel like espithel is mafia
feel like link and shock are town

C'mon, this is mafia. That's a really threadbare analysis. Would you mind elaborating on it?

Is this a bus?


Espi has always been a loose cannon. Knowing now that he's mafia, I put exactly zero value into that post - maybe it could be a very weak bus, but it's just as likely to be him trying to look town by grilling a low-activity player, which is generally a pro-town move.

[responding to second vote in separate post later]

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EBWOP:

Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Espithel, ddevans96
shockcannon (3) - Calindu, MasterWalks, Linkcat

Let's pretend Calindu doesn't have proof that my GN claim was wrong. Does town go through with this lynch? Or does town continue to not trust me. What does mafia think will happen? Espithel voted on Linkcat before Calindu revealed. I'm not sure what that tells us but I think it's quite interesting. He's clearly playing the support shockcannon move, but does that mean Linkcat is town? Espithel claims he knew GN was MW by this point in time. That means he knows I'm lying. If Linkcat is mafia, does Espithel bus him? I don't know if that play makes sense. Maybe ddevans is mafia and Espithel and ddevans both go in hoping no one has info that I'm not actually GN. But Calindu already revealed by this point. ddevans puts his vote on claiming that he wasn't the anubis who protected Linkcat. This means ddevans at this point assumes Calindu AND Linkcat are lying. Bold assumption. But if ddevans was mafia, he would know whether or not Linkcat and Calindu were town. Would he risk exposing himself but continuing to vote Linkcat? Is ddevans just playing the aggressive mafia who is amazed he's still alive and figures why not keep causing chaos if town never lynches me? I don't think this makes sense either.

Personally, I think voting snapshot shows that BOTH Linkcat and ddevans are town.


I don't know how much value I put into this voting snapshot. It was very early in the phase, but you do bring up some interesting scenarios, and I would say it's likely that at least one is in play. To address some things:

-I think Link would have been our primary lynch target, but because of how lynches have been diverted, there is no guarantee he would have been our final lynch.
-I also believed MW was the real GN. I called MW 'shock lite' in a rant about him - this was not an insult about his playstyle, it was referencing the GN situation. I previously address this breadcrumb in chat, but not in-thread yet.
-I do think a bus play would make sense there. It'd be a weak bus, again because of where it was at in the phase, but it could be something. It doesn't move the needle on how I'm reading Link, regardless.
-I don't necessarily think either Cal or Link was lying. I think it's most likely there's a second Anubis who targeted Link, most likely a mafia buddy. That's why I voted Link - because I felt that was the scenario and he wanted to pass off the Anubis target to me, which makes the most sense if he's mafia.

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shockcannon (4) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101,
Espithel (2) - ddevans96, shockcannon
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks

Not much analysis here, but I think this voting snapshot is still quite interesting. I have some opinions about what we can gain from this but I'll save them for now. The above 3 are more important. This is only icing on the cake.


I actually think this is the most interesting voting setup of the four you've highlighted. I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on it.
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Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67178.msg1290641#msg1290641
« Reply #847 on: June 08, 2019, 02:32:14 am »
Linkcat (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (1) - Linkcat
immortal feud (1) - Calindu
mathman101 (1) - ddevans96

I'd like math to talk:

-He's at risk of being modkilled, and we need his reads and information.
-I'm scumreading him because of the way Link brought him up, as addressed early, and because Link is my biggest scumread, math is on my list as well.
-We don't know his role, so he is more likely than anyone else to be my presumed mafia Anubis.

This does not mean claim your role.
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Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67178.msg1290642#msg1290642
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what have you got that supports mafia anibus?
dont suppose you want to share who you think has immortality?
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EBWOP: also is it breaking the rules if we PM math telling him he is about to be modkilled?
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Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67178.msg1290644#msg1290644
« Reply #850 on: June 08, 2019, 03:08:48 am »
So be it, I'm FFQ and you are actually lying about targeting Linkcat, I'm not sure if you are lying about being GN.
Linkcat was my N0 target, I know his role and what he got targeted by. He got guarded N1 and an Anubis targeted him N2.

I would rather have avoided my immortality being revealed, but I will confirm. Thanks, dd.

Except I didn't target you.
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« Reply #851 on: June 08, 2019, 03:12:55 am »
So be it, I'm FFQ and you are actually lying about targeting Linkcat, I'm not sure if you are lying about being GN.
Linkcat was my N0 target, I know his role and what he got targeted by. He got guarded N1 and an Anubis targeted him N2.

I would rather have avoided my immortality being revealed, but I will confirm. Thanks, dd.

Except I didn't target you.

hmmm

Linkcat (1) - Mobian
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Calindu (1) - immortal feud
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