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Linkcat · « **Reply #672 on:** June 02, 2019, 08:57:05 am »

Your fate is sealed.

shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
ddevans96 (1) - MasterWalks
moehrpi (3) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat

MasterWalks · « **Reply #673 on:** June 02, 2019, 08:59:09 am »

shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
moehrpi (4) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks

I found a train to catch.

Linkcat · « **Reply #674 on:** June 02, 2019, 09:00:07 am »

shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
Mobian (1) - Espithel
moehrpi (4) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks

Does anyone else find it hilarious that we waited so long for Espi to make his huge post and then immediately jumped on someone else and ignored him?

shockcannon · « **Reply #675 on:** June 02, 2019, 09:00:20 am »

I probably shouldn't be the one posting this for believability reasons, but read chat logs. People brought up points for lynching moehrpi instead of me.

Mobian · « **Reply #676 on:** June 02, 2019, 09:01:21 am »

Spoiler for Hidden:

shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
moehrpi (4) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks
Mobian (1) - Espithel

FTFY

Linkcat · « **Reply #677 on:** June 02, 2019, 09:03:56 am »

shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
Mobian (1) - Espithel
moehrpi (4) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks

Keep the votes in the right order.

The chat log is really important to read, lots of interactions there.

kaempfer13 · « **Reply #678 on:** June 02, 2019, 09:05:30 am »

shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
Mobian (1) - Espithel
moehrpi (5) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks, kaempfer13

I suppose we'll pressure one of the inactives, hopefully he'll respond

Mobian · « **Reply #679 on:** June 02, 2019, 09:21:37 am »

Quote from: Espithel on June 02, 2019, 08:49:39 am

I have two primary assumptions:
-Shockcannon, Evans, and Walk are town.
-The mafia are happy with the current gamestate.

The first assumption:
While we should have lynched shock on day 1, it's too late to lynch him. We need to start lynching scum. We can discipline him for being the honourary fifth later. I think he is town, and don't want town lynched.
Walk has a level of conviction beyond what is healthy for mafia to go for. He is town.
Evans has repeatedly been under fire, and has repeatedly been saved. Of the three, he is the most likely to be scum.

The second assumption is created due to how the mafia have lynched: Inactive People. They have not attempted to deal with Shock in any capacity. In addition, attacking evans and one other person keeps happening. Repeatedly.

Because the mafia are happy with the current gamestate, let's try and sow some dissent, hm?

So, ladies and gentlemen! Espithel would like to present:

Take note, Walks. This is how you go to town on someone.

*Coughs.* Ahem.

shockcannon (6) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian, shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
Mobian (1) - Espithel

I'm feeling a good 70% here.

STEP ONE: THE HAMMERS

Thanks to Kae, we have a handy dandy chart of how everyone voted. How did Mobian vote on day 1?

This is what the cool kids call a "hammer." The hammer is the person who decides the vote on a day. If you look here, Evans has a clear majority on him. Mobian decides to make this majority larger.

The reason why hammering should be avoided at all costs is because it neuters discussion. I feel that, had this hammer not happened, we would have had much healthier options than just JCJ and Evans to pick from. The hammer failed, but this was at the very end of the phase.

And then you have today:

Quote from: Mobian on June 02, 2019, 04:37:17 am
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, MasterWalks, shockcannon

Shock's been trying to stir up conflict and dissent. He's seeming more and more scummy.

Another day, another hammer. A lot of people have expressed concern that both these lynches are bad. Mobian, again, votes late and votes as the hammer, trying to stifle discussion (dissent.)
Do you remember how I believe that the mafia are happy with the situation right now? I feel this is an enforcement of that. They do not want a repeat of day 1 where someone random died.

On day 2, Mobian voted to lynch Ian. Keep this in mind later. It's not important here.

STEP TWO: THE HYPOCRISY

Let's have a deeper look at that first vote, hm? Why did he vote that way?

First off:
Quote from: Mobian on May 24, 2019, 04:50:01 am
I really, really hate it when shock is the voice of reason, but he did have quite a few good points. Right now, I'm inclined to agree with him on keeping our numbers as high as possible. We don't have any solid intel on anybody yet, and I'd like to be sure when I sentence someone to death.

This is Mobian's first post for the day and of the game. I'm not a fan of filthy no-lynchers, but fair enough. You want to be sure, it's day one. That's an incorrect, but fair argument. I can respec-

Really?
What was the wonderous, high-intel post that made you take this decision that you'd be sure about?

Was it Linkcat's post?

That's not high intel. That's a minor scumread at best. You cannot be sure that this will result in scumlynch. Not even Link was sure it'd result in a scumlynch.
By your own principles, you should've no-lynched. You didn't. Why?

That's beyond neglience. That's being spineless. How do I know this?

Quote from: Mobian on May 25, 2019, 05:50:45 pm
Iancu, please EBWOP to include my vote.

I've been watching this without much commentary, mostly because I still don't know all of you that well. So until I have a better read on people, I feel going with the majority is best for me. The ideal situation for me would have been to be absolutely sure, and I was considering using my vote to throw a null lynch, but given how the majority of you feel about that, I didn't want to give off the wrong impression and make you think I was mafia again. I truly hope we're making the right play on ddevans, but at this point, I suppose it can't be helped. Please bear in mind this is only my second game of mafia, and I don't want my inexperience to come out as scum.

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ImageHereSTEP 3: IANImageHere

Alright.
Bring yourself to day 2.
Mobian voted to lynch Ian on an OMGUS.

Quote from: Mobian on May 28, 2019, 07:55:27 pm
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (1) - Iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (2) - Espithel, Mobian

The more I think about my earlier theory, the more sense it makes. Also, ian seems to just rub me the wrong way.

Why?
If Mobian was town, this makes no sense beyond "being emotional." According to Mobian's own words, he got overly defensive at Ian voting on him earlier in day 2. Why?
Mobian was in no threat of being lynched that day. I even moved my vote on ian because of his constant vote-switching (have a spine in your convictions, ian. )

If Mobian had properly written out his theory, I feel this would be acceptable. But, he didn't. He said "he rubs me the wrong way." This is useless, and violates his theory on no-lynching stated in step 1.

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If only one of these things were present, Mobian would be neutral to town. It's the combination of all three that looks very off.
Before we start voting on Mobian, please give him time to respond. His dissent is important.

Now, Evans, Shock. Special warning for you.
I am not making this post to defend your hides. I am doing this because I think Mobian is a better lynch.
If either of you vote on Mobian, I will vote to lynch you immediately. Don't.

As far as Day 1 goes, it was the opinion of the community that a null-lynch is the epitome of "scum" and if I wanted to be taken seriously, I would HAVE to choose a side, so I did against my better judgement. This wasn't a "hammer" as there was still PLENTY of time for people to get votes in, and they did, as DD is still alive and kicking today. I could only be accused of hammering if my vote made the difference.

As far ian was concerned, he was throwing scum reads, but the kicker for me was when ian complained about being "roleblocked" for the second time, and Insig came to light saying he wardened DD, and revealed an Oty was prevented. I put the facts together that ian was a possible mafia who tried to kill DD with his ability during N1, but the Warden ability prevented that kill. The community was against using aggro roles in the early game, so it threw me off that he would try to, despite his supporting that stance.

Now we come to Shock. He has admittedly lied to the entire community since the beginning. I don't like liars. They undermine the work the community is doing to ferret out the bad citizens. He might be town. He might be mafia. He is certainly, however, a liar, and as such, should not be trusted, or even be suffered to confuse the town further.

As you all can see in the chatlog I posted previously, I have little faith in our town at present, and know you will likely choose to save a liar because "playing like that he can't possibly be mafia." I can never support that mindset, and if you choose to kill me over it, so be it. I will not change my stance on him for the remainder of the game.

Linkcat · « **Reply #680 on:** June 02, 2019, 09:26:30 am »

Spoiler for rest of chat:

immortal feud · « **Reply #681 on:** June 02, 2019, 11:46:36 am »

shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
Mobian (1) - Espithel
moehrpi (6) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks, kaempfer13, immortal feud

if this is what it takes to save shock

Calindu · « **Reply #682 on:** June 02, 2019, 12:00:16 pm »

Just finished reading up from last night, I'm down on switching my vote on moehrpi, but will be closer to deadline if I ever switch, since the people I have a more confident read on all consider shock town.
I don't necessarily agree with that, but I guess it can wait and moe flipping as mafia would clear shock.

Also, please note this:

Quote from: moehrpi on June 01, 2019, 11:31:34 pm

OMGUS and other things. Will post more but it will take 24 hours or even until Monday.

Moe might not be here to defend himself, like how it happened the past 2 day phases. If he's not here to defend himself, I'm not switching.

I also have a plan that involves shock and me both using our ability on a target that we would discuss beforehand, as a way to guarantee a firefly sticking and me confirming shock's role, thoughts on this?

Mobian · « **Reply #683 on:** June 02, 2019, 02:19:37 pm »

Won't matter, Moe will miss the deadline by 4 hours, and he already has a majority vote. Once again, the town is being played for fools. After this day phase I'm considering no longer voting. We're all doomed, anyways.

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