Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine

[Espithel]

There is a big problem with this dump, Coffee claims to have adrenaline, which means poison will insta kill.

How is this a problem?

[Coffeeditto]

How is this a problem?

Because I would have no reason to claim that unless I was mafia and knew my team mate was the only toadfish.

[RootRanger]

This is why I don't like random roleblocks. GN could have one more piece of information right now if we'd just been playing properly :/

[Espithel]

How is this a problem?

Because I would have no reason to claim that unless I was mafia and knew my team mate was the only toadfish.

...No?
There's at least 5-6 roles missing in the game. This is the first time Poison and Adrenaline's been heard about. I seriously don't think Poison is in the game by this point - it's not been mentioned at all and the list of roles we don't know are in or not is very small.

Secondly, who adrenaline'd you? Could've been a mafia trying to make you look scummy. Could've been a bad town (again). There's way more possibilities than just "The scum also has a toadfish."

[Coffeeditto]

How is this a problem?

Because I would have no reason to claim that unless I was mafia and knew my team mate was the only toadfish.

...No?
There's at least 5-6 roles missing in the game. This is the first time Poison and Adrenaline's been heard about. I seriously don't think Poison is in the game by this point - it's not been mentioned at all and the list of roles we don't know are in or not is very small.

Secondly, who adrenaline'd you? Could've been a mafia trying to make you look scummy. Could've been a bad town (again). There's way more possibilities than just "The scum also has a toadfish."

Thank you for fighting for my innocence for me.

[Espithel]

The only thing I'm fighting is your intelligence. >:(

[Linkcat]

STOP CLAIMING

HOLY SHIT

PLEASE JUST STOP

[Espithel]

@Linkcat: What’s the official ruling on Coffee and modkills?

[00:07:40] ‹Linkcat› I can't rule on that since I'm playing.

[Coffeeditto]

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

[ddevans96]

Linkcat (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, RootRanger
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
mathman101 (1) - Linkcat

Of Root's two lynch choices that aren't likely town, I would prefer to lynch Espi right now.

[Espithel]

Linkcat (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, RootRanger
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
mathman101 (1) - Linkcat

Of Root's two lynch choices that aren't likely town, I would prefer to lynch Espi right now.

SO MUCH SHIT GOING ON IN CHAT

HE'S RETRACTED THE CLAIM - HE THOUGHT WALKS WAS GN BUT TURNS OUT HE'S NOT

OH MY GOD THE CHAOS HERE

I'M TRYING TO POST IT ALL BUT IT'S SO FASTTTTT

SPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED

[Espithel]

[23:24:58]
‹RootRanger› Pretty sure this means shock is caught in another lie unless I missed something in the rules. He claimed he targeted ian night 1, right? Or night 0, makes no difference really.

‹RootRanger› If GN was roleblocked N0 and targeted ian N1, it would be on cooldown N2 (shock says he was roleblocked), so this is literally the *second* time *this round* that civ information has proven shock was lying. I guess Fate Egg GN is a possibility albeit unlikely.
‹Coffeeditto› No hold up. He is claiming he is mind flayer and targeted moerphi n0.
‹RootRanger› shockcannon is claiming mind flayer now? Of course.
‹ddevans96› he claimed Flayer, then GN, then Flayer again
‹RootRanger› Lovely.

‹RootRanger› This is like textbook criteria for me to lynch someone:
1.) random lies to give cover for mafia to lie (or he's mafia);
2.) roleblocking civs to benefit mafia (or he's mafia);
3.) fake claiming GN to solicit a counterclaim in order to reveal the actual GN to mafia.
The sad thing is, all this considered, I'd say it's at best a 50/50 that he's actually mafia. He could just be playing really, really, really poorly.
 If we have the mentality that civs can just spew out random lies, we give mafia the same privilege. He is benefiting mafia in almost everything he does. That makes it an obvious choice, even if it's the usual 1/5 odds, Unless there's someone else who is a way more compelling lynch, and I don't think there is.

‹Coffeeditto› He might be lying in another way: He might have revealed he was really golden nymph and all the info he got but then acted like he was lying to protect him from getting killed by the mafia.
‹kaempfer13› Shock's chances of being mafia are always 1/5th. It won't change anything about his playstyle.
‹kaempfer13› GN targets people on even nights now

‹kaempfer13› ‹@WorldWideWeb3› ya, this mafia nerfed town superhard
‹RootRanger› Shock hasn't been helping either. Like, the people who want shock alive, is someone else really so obviously mafia that it's worth lynching them even when shock is undermining us?

‹kaempfer13› ‹@Coffeeditto› If Shock's GN, he's an idiot once more; EoR abilities are refunded on failure, so GN should have targeted someone n1. But, ofc, shock isn't GN.

‹RootRanger› ‹@kaempfer13› Thoughts on a shock lynch?
‹kaempfer13› I'd like to do better than 25% [chance of hitting scum] if possible.
‹RootRanger› Did you have anyone in mind?
‹kaempfer13› I wanted to play with some variants of townreads on the lynchlog. See if someone looks scummy through those votes.
‹RootRanger› Fair enough

‹MasterWalks› ‹@kaempfer13› ‹@RootRanger› If we lynch shock, that's a lot of info that clears up tbh. But, we can't afford another town lynch this late.
‹kaempfer13› ‹@MasterWalks› Really? With so many lies, it proves nothing to know his alignment.
‹RootRanger› The same could be said for anybody else - that we can't afford a town lynch and they could be town.

‹Espithel› ‹@RootRanger› What's your opinion of Shockcannon trying to create "toxic association" if he was scum?
‹Espithel› He thinks Me, Walks, and I think Calindu are town.
‹Espithel› Would him trying to set up some kind of misguided fall be a possibility?
‹RootRanger› As in, mafia saying "these x people are town", getting lynched, then hoping civs lynch all the people who mentioned? I mean, yeah, but he's been spewing so much randomness I think it would just all get ignored.
‹Espithel› There's too much of it for that kind of toxic association?
‹RootRanger› If shock turns up mafia, I wouldn't become any more or less suspicious of the people on his list.
‹Espithel› Alright.
‹kaempfer13› Shock also believes me town. One of the few consistent claims of his actually
‹RootRanger› He said ian was 100% mafia then later said he was 100% civ.

‹RootRanger› He's chaos. Nothing more, nothing less. Not strategic chaos, not beneficial chaos, just chaos. Not intelligent chaos, not calculated chaos... Just chaos.
[23:45:50]


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