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Linkcat · « **Reply #612 on:** June 01, 2019, 10:42:06 am »

Spoiler for Full log:

Linkcat · « **Reply #613 on:** June 01, 2019, 12:19:11 pm »

I want to do a full re-read of the thread, but for now here's my current reads list. I ask every living player to make one of these.

(Villager, Neutral, Wolf, goes from towniest to scummiest)

vv
Shock - See my recent post.

v
MW - Bad town.
Insig - Bad town.

n+
Calin - Playing well and healthily contributing to discussion. I agree with most of what he says.
kaempfer - Really seems to be coming from a town point of view.

n
immortal feud - Inactive, has been sick, seems confused as either alignment. His townreads are me and my biggest townread, so that's good.
Ginyu - Semi-active, would like to see him push some lynches.
dd - Probably town if he's telling the truth about his role, for now could easily be town or mafia.
Mobian - Honestly hasn't made much of an impression.
moehrpi - Has been semi-active but started contributing more, realistic play for a first timer of either alignment.
Espithel - Has been fairly towny but I believe scum Espithel would do all this shit.

n-
Root - Been getting weird vibes from him for most of the game.
math - Super inactive, could easily be mafia laying low.
Coffee - Super inactive, actually should have been modkilled.

w

ww

Now that I finally got around to doing this, you'll see the same problem I do. With kaempfer moving to a town lean, I have no actual scumreads. It's pretty hard to find a 4-man team out of this list, but I have a general idea.

I believe that mafia has been mostly hanging back, and if they have been in the spotlight then it's the people I have the hardest time reading. (Espi/dd, even both is not off the table)

Two are in the low profile group: feud, Ginyu, moehrpi, math, Coffee
Two are in the rest that I'm not townreading: Calin, kaempfer, Mobian, Espi, Root

Will definitely need to examine votes to find possible relationships. Right now I'm okay with a lynch on anyone in my n or n- groups. It's hard to get a proper POE with this amount of low activity players and all the people not voting. I'm going to pressure the least active player that shouldn't already be dead. We need everyone to be active at this stage of the game. I keep pushing and nothing is giving. I just need one breakthrough and this game will be blown wide open.

Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, ddevans96
shockcannon (1) - Calindu
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
mathman101 (1) - Linkcat

@mathman101

kaempfer13 · « **Reply #614 on:** June 01, 2019, 12:35:10 pm »

Reposting reasoning makes this too big, so just the raw votes for now.
Here the lynchlog:

Spoiler for lynchlog:

Spoiler for Day1:

Spoiler for Day2:

Boy, there goes all my freetime today.

Coffeeditto · « **Reply #615 on:** June 01, 2019, 04:35:45 pm »

I'm still alive.

ddevans96 · « **Reply #616 on:** June 01, 2019, 05:45:05 pm »

Tiers ordered by post count. Don't have a lot of time, will elaborate on reads and lynch preference upon request.

vv
shock

v
MasterWalks
Calindu

n+
kaempfer
moerhpi
immortal feud
Ginyu

n1
Mobian
Root

n2 [low activity, one is probably mafia]
Coffee
mathman

n-
Espithel

w
Linkcat
IW

ww
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Espithel · « **Reply #617 on:** June 01, 2019, 06:00:58 pm »

Quote from: Coffeeditto on June 01, 2019, 04:35:45 pm

I'm still alive.

Don't jinx it.

RootRanger · « **Reply #618 on:** June 01, 2019, 06:01:09 pm »

Quote from: MasterWalks on June 01, 2019, 12:35:10 am

@RootRanger I need you scum reads. Besides the shock hate, i have no idea who youre looking at. You bashed shock for not helping town so lets see you help town and share some reads

Linkcat's description of me was accurate; I strongly favor mechanics over reads. There's not especially strong public information that anyone is mafia, in which case it makes the most sense to me to simply lynch the players who are acting in the best interests of mafia. If they're civilian, we've lost less than if we had lynched any other civ. It's not just hate; it's my strategy to prefer lynches on players who are disrupting civ gameplay. Most recently, shock's lies have forced a FFQ claim, plus revealed that Linkcat is immaterial, which just gives mafia more info. And god forbid if we had an inexperienced GN who had counterclaimed in response to shock's (likely fake) GN claim - it would have been hugely detrimental to the civs. So, when no one strikes me as an obvious mafia, the choice defaults to the player who has been doing the most to advance the interests of the mafia.

My second choice lynch would be Insig because I think his roleblock was the wrong play for a civ. My third choice lynch would be Espithel because of the continued push on him from MW.

Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, ddevans96
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, RootRanger
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
mathman101 (1) - Linkcat

MasterWalks · « **Reply #619 on:** June 01, 2019, 06:36:30 pm »

Spoiler for Chat Log:

TL:DR Root did an ama about mafia. Sticks with his opinion shock is more detrimental to town than helpful. Root also thinks insig is scummy for using Ward so early. Some debate on whether or not insigs play was actually scummy or not. Some debate on whether d2d or ian was the oty that targeted ddevans. Root talks about how he cannot accuse someone of mafia since its still a 50% chance they are town.

Espithel · « **Reply #620 on:** June 01, 2019, 08:09:38 pm »

Coming soon to a mafia game near you:

ETA: Like 5 hours

Submachine · « **Reply #621 on:** June 01, 2019, 09:52:01 pm »

@Linkcat: What’s the official ruling on Coffee and modkills?

Espithel · « **Reply #622 on:** June 01, 2019, 10:06:19 pm »

[22:52:52]
‹MasterWalks› Hold up. Coffee posted today. He shouldn't get modkill
‹Coffeeditto› I posted every day. I think it has something to do with my not voting
‹MasterWalks› That's not against rules at all. Graboid would be modkilled every game.
‹Coffeeditto› Oh. Maybe I didn't post every day
‹MasterWalks› I think you missed 2 days but still, you posted today. He can't modkill you mid phase for inactivity. If he was going to modkill it needed to be done last phase

‹Coffeeditto› I also have been submitting actions every night. I'm a 2nd iridium warden. I target root the first night, who was targetted by Golden Nymph. Due to this, I think that shock is actually golden nymph, as he softed targeting root n1 a while back. Night 2, I targeted Link and nothing happened. Night 3, I targeted insig and nothing happened, but I got targeted by Adrenaline.
[22:58:55]

Convergent Universal Networking Tunnelscummer SOONtm

MasterWalks · « **Reply #623 on:** June 01, 2019, 10:27:00 pm »

Couple things here. Coffee used Ward first night, which is scummy. But Root was targeted by GN so either shock is GN, a quiet person is, or Fate Egg rolled GN. However, that GN was blocked by ward so GN got no information (I think), meaning Root is not off the hook. There is a big problem with this dump, Coffee claims to have adrenaline, which means poison will insta kill.
This might be all obvious stuff but i need to type it out to process it.

Poll

Who played the best mafia?

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Linkcat

Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67178.msg1290250#msg1290250

Linkcat

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kaempfer13

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Coffeeditto

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ddevans96

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Espithel

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RootRanger

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MasterWalks

Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67178.msg1290271#msg1290271

Espithel

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Submachine

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Espithel

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MasterWalks

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