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shockcannon · « **Reply #588 on:** May 31, 2019, 09:45:00 pm »

Anubis targeting Linkcat? Either someone's really confident Linkcat is town or.........

MasterWalks · « **Reply #589 on:** May 31, 2019, 09:46:03 pm »

Quote from: Calindu on May 31, 2019, 09:18:56 pm

So be it, I'm FFQ and you are actually lying about targeting Linkcat, I'm not sure if you are lying about being GN.
Linkcat was my N0 target, I know his role and what he got targeted by. He got guarded N1 and an Anubis targeted him N2.

Quote from: Linkcat on May 31, 2019, 09:35:19 pm

I would rather have avoided my immortality being revealed, but I will confirm. Thanks, dd.

Quote from: ddevans96 on May 31, 2019, 09:38:16 pm

Except I didn't target you.

You have got to be kidding me.
If Cal is telling the truth, then ddevans is lying. If Cal is lying then Linkcat is also lying. If dd is lying, well then dd is lying.

I would put money on at LEAST one of these guys is mafia. Probably more like 2 of them are mafia.

Calindu · « **Reply #590 on:** May 31, 2019, 09:46:44 pm »

Dd is not necessarily lying, there could be a second Anubis.

Mobian · « **Reply #591 on:** May 31, 2019, 09:47:36 pm »

Quote from: MasterWalks on May 31, 2019, 09:46:03 pm

Quote from: Calindu on May 31, 2019, 09:18:56 pm
So be it, I'm FFQ and you are actually lying about targeting Linkcat, I'm not sure if you are lying about being GN.
Linkcat was my N0 target, I know his role and what he got targeted by. He got guarded N1 and an Anubis targeted him N2.
Quote from: Linkcat on May 31, 2019, 09:35:19 pm
I would rather have avoided my immortality being revealed, but I will confirm. Thanks, dd.

Quote from: ddevans96 on May 31, 2019, 09:38:16 pm
Except I didn't target you.

You have got to be kidding me.
If Cal is telling the truth, then ddevans is lying. If Cal is lying then Linkcat is also lying. If dd is lying, well then dd is lying.

I would put money on at LEAST one of these guys is mafia. Probably more like 2 of them are mafia.

Or, there's simply a second Anubis. Whether there IS or not, I have no clue, but the possibility cannot be ignored.

shockcannon · « **Reply #592 on:** May 31, 2019, 09:48:19 pm »

Spoiler for sorryIruinmafia:

shockcannon · « **Reply #593 on:** May 31, 2019, 09:48:52 pm »

It appears there is also a second Warden, unless Linkcat visited ddevans N1.

shockcannon · « **Reply #594 on:** May 31, 2019, 09:52:47 pm »

Actually second Warden confirmed, unless Linkcat is mind flayer because Calindu would've picked up on Linkcat's role being used.

BUT if Linkcat is mind flayer and blocking ddevans, I personally find that suspicious. Linkcat has been after ddevans since day 1, and now it seems everyone thinks ddevans is town (including me).

Mobian · « **Reply #595 on:** May 31, 2019, 09:54:12 pm »

Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Espithel, ddevans96
shockcannon (4) - Calindu, MasterWalks, Linkcat, Mobian

Shock, you've been caught up in too many lies. At this point, you're causing more harm than good.

Linkcat · « **Reply #596 on:** May 31, 2019, 09:56:24 pm »

Well, thanks to whoever granted me this blessing. May I ask why you are voting on me? I know you really think shock is GN, but even if I was mafia, there would have to be an extremely specific set of circumstances for his claims to be true.

The Nightkills show that mafia is really trying to snipe the GN, which makes all the claims even more annoying. Their POE can't be very big now.

The other Anubis/Egg probably targeted me because I asked for it lol. I still don't get why you guys think it's a bad role.

shockcannon · « **Reply #597 on:** May 31, 2019, 10:09:23 pm »

Okay, this whole thing about me being annoying and lying is a fine opinion but it's getting a little repetitive. Am I actually hurting town or are you just pissed that this game didn't go like the other 70 mafias and how you want it to go? Because let's assume I don't cause noise and we all just stay quiet. Well guess what, town will never find mafia because mafia just won't ever have to talk. With how the roles work, secondary roles can NEVER find primary roles except for Golden Nymph. That means waiting potentially like 9 nights before GN finds 1 mafia, during which time they could easily get killed since NK isn't blockable when placed on GN. NK isn't even traceable by secondary roles.

All mafia has to do is do literally NOTHING. They don't have to use any secondary roles at all, and can simply just NK every night. They'll just never vote and blend in with all the afk townies who might be graboid. Then the few active townies will only have reads on each other and just start voting each other up and killing each other off. Talking and sharing info IS A MUST for town to win, as many of you have already described.

WELL GUESS WHAT? Who was the one who talked about sharing roles and info to get discussion going and to make the best of our abilities? And guess what, that was completely shot down. We didn't even get a bit of info out of ian because we told him not to share. Look how useful that was? We don't even know who he targeted because of the duplicate roles.

What does that leave me with? That leaves me with lying to hope discussion will spark so we're not sitting here doing nothing and hopefully getting mafia to slip up. You know what, mafia may have stayed quiet this entire time, but if you look at the responses to my "chaotic noise" then you should be able to easily pinpoint some DEFINITE TOWN and even some highly suspicious MAFIA. But no, we're too busy whining about shock. If you want to me to stop talking sure. After my next post I won't post again. But mafia is in control, but whether you like it or not, I have forced people to respond in ways that give us actual reads.

Linkcat · « **Reply #598 on:** May 31, 2019, 10:42:15 pm »

Shock, if you're THIS fucking town and still mafia, you deserve to win. I retract my vote.

shockcannon · « **Reply #599 on:** May 31, 2019, 10:44:09 pm »

Spoiler for failed early game strategy because I was "too chaotic" and overestimated towns ability to catch on:

Apology to ian. Sorry

I knew everyone expected me to make an early read and stick to it. I used this to my advantage by calling out ian. This was a safe move because no town would trust me so ian wouldn't be lynched. Mafia would also know I'm wasting my time so they would let me do my thing. As a result this allows me to go unchecked. I know people here are smart, so I needed this initial set up to make the next pay off work.

The next step was to put doubt in the mafia's mind as to my role. I wanted them to think that maybe there's a chance I was golden nymph. Since town was so against all the strategies I had offered, I knew we were basically screwed since I have 0 trust in town's reads. I think mafia is too good this game to be easily read. As a result, I knew our main hope was to keep GN alive and hope they picked good targets.

I had hoped to fake reveal GN day 3 or day 4, but the switch over to ian as an actual possible lynch target threw me into a panic. I actually had an epiphany because I realized that this opportunity was actually a blessing. I could reveal GN now, saving ian and causing mafia to blow up in their chat. They would be wondering where the quick switch came from? Obviously town wouldn't be stupid enough to reveal GN after only knowing one target? But it's shock. If anyone would play like shock is playing now AND be GN, it would be shock. Sadly, voting was in overtime and I couldn't save ian. The brightside was that ian flipping town makes me seem slightly more GN to mafia.

I'm smiling now knowing that mafia actually paid me some respect because they sent their mind flayer to block me this past night (N2). Smart move because they can kill another town without risking the situation where i'm not GN AND I get healed by GA. Blocking would prevent me from finding a primary role.

Now, I planned to straight up dump what I'm dumping now at the start of day 3 (today). BUT the fact that I got blocked changed my plans. I now had the opportunity to continue role claiming GN to see what mafia does when they know I'm lying. I picked Linkcat (who I thought might have been mafia this entire time) hoping to force mafia to respond to me. This was working as the votes piled on Linkcat but unfortunately (or fortunately) Calindu responded. Now this outs Calindu as either the mafia response I was looking for, or a townie calling me out on my BS. Either way, we got a ton of info out of Calindu. Now we have a whole dilemma between duplicate roles, Linkcat being apparently protected, Calindu being FFQ, and more. If I had played in favor of town and not as "honorary 5th mafia member" this info would be disclosed and we would have nothing to work off.

Sure, this reveal narrows down GN, but I think the tradeoff is worth it, and if you don't think so, just lynch me now.

Spoiler for role, abilities used, and light reads:

I told the truth on the very first day. I am indeed mindflayer. My targets in order were Moehrpi, Ginyu, Moehrpi (blocked by another mindflayer UNLESS moehrpi got protected by second anubis in between or moehrpi is graboid who unburrowed N0 and then reburrowed N1/N2).

Fun fact: submachine never edited the ruleset to ban ciphers or codes. Also, I figured hidden messages that everyone had equal access to and equal ability to solve were fair game. My role and my targets were hidden in some of my previous posts but none of you caught on. Oh well.

Several nights, I had suspected mafia had mindflayer with ian getting blocked often, but I wasn't sure if it was just iridium warden. With our new information from Calindu and old info from Insig, we can infer that there are 2 iridium wardens assuming no lies were told. I can add onto this and say that there is another mind flayer almost definitely. That makes a LOT of duplicate roles. 2 FE, 2 warden, 2 FFQ, 2 mind flayer, 2 Anubis. Personally, I think someone is lying here. If not, we have a lot of missing roles. There’s going to start being some inconsistencies and this is where we need to be on the lookout.

Another thing, moehrpi and ginyu never revealed that they were blocked. This offers a few options. One, they have EoR abilities or didn’t use their abilities. Two, they never shared they were blocked. Regardless, I find this a bit suspicious. Tied in with my previous reads on moehrpi and the JCJ vote, I have been highly suspicious of moehrpi since day 1.

I personally say we grill Linkcat and moehrpi. If they can’t convince us, we should lynch. Neither of them have received attention or votes and yet have maintained some decent level of activity and presence. In my opinion, the two of them are exactly where mafia wants to be (until today).

Anyways, this is my last post probably for a long time. Might not even vote for a while. I’ve played my part of crazy shock. I’m leaving the game in town’s hands now. Maybe I threw, maybe I didn’t. Only time will tell.

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