Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine

[dawn to dusk]

Summary: me being Shock for a while until Egg reveals render everything I say irrelevant

Sub making the FEgg change

dd talking about how the FEgg change impacted how people thought of him in N2 after the GA kill

[dawn to dusk]

Hey Sub, don't forget to give ian's N0 role as well, as was also shown in the last mafia

[Linkcat]

No it wasn't.

[dawn to dusk]

It wasn't? Maybe I'm thinking of post-game

[Ginyu]

I want to adress something that is really annoying me, to the point of me even losing motivation to play. The general use of chat is fine, although the gigantic masses are too much for me to bother reading. If people being online could give a short summary, that would be great (and thanks to those who already did that).

However, the fact that several chat logs aren't even posted anymore is definitely not the way to go, and also against the rules. I've recently being poked into chat and there was mafia chat going on for hours, with breaks in between to easily post them. No one did that. At the end of Day 2, people were chatting for about 6 hours (!) without a single one feeling responsible, and it the end Sub himself had to do it. That sucks, because those not checking the chat very often (I only have it open for notifications most of the time) might lack lots of important informations. Further, seeing lots of posts makes you realize there is an active discussion going on to hop into. And if you did not have the chat open for the time being - we all know how great and fast the chat history is.

The icing on the cake is players masquerading as guests, which I probably do not need to elaborate.

[MasterWalks]

Spoiler for chat log:

[14:51:40] ‹kaempfer13› someone from mafia please tell us your nightkill target so we can move on with the day
[15:09:50] ‹Espithel› K
[15:09:55] ‹Espithel› NK target's Espithel
[15:11:05] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[15:12:07] ‹Wyand›
[15:16:43] ‹MasterWalks› Ha, mafia wont target mafia for NK
[15:17:10] ‹Espithel› Try me
[15:32:53] ‹Mobian› ‹@Espithel› Did you just confess?
[15:35:44] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I’m dying tonight espi
[15:35:52] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Unless GA comes in clutch
[15:37:17] ‹Mobian› ‹@Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› if you're GN like you claim, ain't no salvation for you
[15:38:04] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› It’s all about making the mafia doubtthough
[15:38:25] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› If I’m not GN and I get protected then they waste a kill chance
[15:39:05] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› if I am GN and then don’t target me then I also still live and keep GN alive
[15:39:19] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› It’s a win win because my mindgating is impeccable
[15:42:39] ‹Mobian› ‹@Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I do hope you're right.
[15:44:29] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[15:45:11] ‹Espithel› ‹@Mobian› Yeah Sub's a bastard mod
[15:45:18] ‹Espithel› All the mafia are actually jesters
[15:45:31] ‹Espithel› If they get lynched, the town loses
[15:45:42] ‹Espithel› So the mafia team are NKing themselves in protest
[15:45:54] ‹Espithel› Ian and Jcj were my teammates
[15:46:12] ‹Espithel› That's how much of a bastard he is
[15:47:23] ‹Mobian› Perhaps MW's right about his hunch
[15:48:38] ‹MasterWalks› He is
[15:49:07] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I would be the best jester ever
[15:49:16] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Day 1 lynched
[15:49:22] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› ofc. You are the best everything ever
[15:49:43] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› All I would have to do is make 0 posts and then every one would vote me up
[15:50:51] ‹MasterWalks› I think mafia is targeting quiet people in hopes to kill GN. GN, you need to start talking. To hide this, everyone needs to start talking a lot
[15:51:01] ‹MasterWalks› Lets get to 100 pages before night is over
[15:51:13] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› ‹@MasterWalks› I can talk more if you want me to
[15:51:26] ‹Espithel› I actually think that's true, Walks.
[15:51:31] ‹Espithel› For a different reason, though.
[15:51:45] ‹Espithel› They're targeting quiet people because it gives the town as little information as possible.
[15:51:49] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› The best GN is the GN that role claims and isn’t believed by anyone
[15:51:56] ‹Espithel› Which seems to imply they're satisfied with the current town discussion.
[15:52:29] ‹Espithel› Then again, with a sample size of, er
[15:52:40] ‹Espithel› 1.5 nightkills (It's likely, but we don't *know* that they targeted jcj)
[15:53:32] ‹Espithel› So, if they're satisfied with current town discussion, it would also imply that current town discussion is wrong.
[15:54:08] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Insig is town
[15:54:18] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Which is obvious by root voting on him
[15:54:19] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› ^
[15:54:51] ‹MasterWalks› Literally everyone is not liking how root is playing.
[15:55:18] ‹Espithel› Does that translate into Root being scum?
[15:55:31] ‹Espithel› I could definitely see an argument for it.
[15:55:36] ‹Espithel› Might be worth pushing.
[15:58:01] ‹MasterWalks› Im not sure root is mafia scum. His scum claims on shock are less baseless then the ones i have on you
[15:58:14] ‹MasterWalks› more baseless* i think
[15:58:28] ‹MasterWalks› i dunno. They are worse than the ones i have on you. There.
[16:01:32] ‹kaempfer13› So having terrible reads= town now?
[16:06:00] ‹Espithel› Wow, they're *more* baseless than your reads on me?
[16:06:07] ‹Espithel› I don't think that's possible :^)
[16:08:56] ‹Wyand›
[16:13:37] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I’m pretty sure I know 1 mafia for reals
[16:13:47] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Hopefully I don’t die tonight
[16:16:12] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› ‹@kaempfer13› hey guess what?
[16:17:04] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[16:24:56] ‹kaempfer13› well, I guessed wrong, didnt expect you to leave me hanging
[16:30:24] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Yall real dumb
[16:30:40] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› yep
[16:31:33] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Www3 with the assist
[16:31:37] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› It is ddevans
[16:31:50] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› We should’ve let him die all this time
[16:36:32] ‹kaempfer13› he def didnt need mafiabuddies to stay alive both times (or if so at most 2 both times)
[16:39:44] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Espithel› lol mine at least has a semi based accusation. Root says lynch cuz shock he is crazy, not because any mafia hints, just a personality clash.
[16:42:27] ‹Guest-Parasite-d2a36› uuuuuu
[16:42:39] ‹MasterWalks› nnnnn
[16:45:01] ‹Wyand›
[16:46:39] ‹Espithel› No, Root's argument is that Shock is helping the mafia
[16:46:48] ‹Espithel› Therefore we should get rid of something actively helping the mafia
[16:46:59] ‹Espithel› I've been with him since mafia 40, this is something he's very consistent on
[16:47:00] ‹Guest-Virus-c6515› hello
[16:47:09] ‹Espithel› Is it true? There's the question!
[16:48:36] ‹MasterWalks› Hm, how is shock really helping mafia? He is just being shock. I think shock will be more useful after next day for town
[16:48:56] ‹MasterWalks› No i dont think its true
[16:49:38] ‹MasterWalks› And considering we are 0-3 lynching shock, who is probably town, would help mafia more than what ever jank shock is doing
[16:50:50] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Ginyu maf
[16:53:20] ‹Wyand› good night all
[16:53:28] ‹Wyand› hi and bye Aves
[16:53:36] ‹Aves› hi-bye ^^
[16:53:46] ‹Aves›
[17:08:43] ‹Espithel› Root.png:
[17:08:49] ‹Espithel› I'm gonna put words in his mouth.
[17:08:53] • Espithel coughs
[17:09:55] ‹ddevans96› Root has put words in people's mouths less than at least four other people this game, lol
[17:10:47] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› That sentence makes 0 sense
[17:11:18] ‹ddevans96› false
[17:11:20] ‹Espithel› "Shock is constantly sowing chaos, distracting people from details that actually matter, and by grinding himself into irrelevance, is creating a perfect cover for mafia members, potentially himself."
[17:11:55] ‹MasterWalks› "Shock is constantly sowing chaos"
[17:12:00] ‹MasterWalks› by god i cant wait for trials
[17:12:10] ‹MasterWalks› he hasnt seen anything yet
[17:12:20] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I’m going to use chaos seed/power in every game
[17:12:42] ‹Espithel› "Bad play like this actively helps the mafia because it allows their mistakes to go with less scrutiny, as everyone focuses their attention on an annoying jester."
[17:13:18] ‹MasterWalks› I dont think we've put all that much focus on shock tbh
[17:13:18] ‹Espithel› \root.png
[17:14:37] ‹MasterWalks› root is putting all our focus on shock therefore giving mafia cover. lynchroot.exe
[17:16:27] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Lunch root for the memes?
[17:16:29] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I’m in

Talks on root and shocks "feud". Some talks on why mafia is targeting the quiet players, either because it gives town less info or because they believe GN is being quiet.

[shockcannon]

I apologize for anything I've said in chat. I will put out a disclaimer though that anything I say in chat should not be taken seriously. Anything I say that is important for everyone to be able to read will be put into an actual post by me in this thread, and this is how it has been for me up to this point.

[MasterWalks]

I want to adress something that is really annoying me, to the point of me even losing motivation to play. The general use of chat is fine, although the gigantic masses are too much for me to bother reading. If people being online could give a short summary, that would be great (and thanks to those who already did that).

However, the fact that several chat logs aren't even posted anymore is definitely not the way to go, and also against the rules. I've recently being poked into chat and there was mafia chat going on for hours, with breaks in between to easily post them. No one did that. At the end of Day 2, people were chatting for about 6 hours (!) without a single one feeling responsible, and it the end Sub himself had to do it. That sucks, because those not checking the chat very often (I only have it open for notifications most of the time) might lack lots of important informations. Further, seeing lots of posts makes you realize there is an active discussion going on to hop into. And if you did not have the chat open for the time being - we all know how great and fast the chat history is.

The icing on the cake is players masquerading as guests, which I probably do not need to elaborate.

I agree with all of this and must admit, i skipped some chat log postings on the assumption someone else will do it. I think this is probably the reason for everyone. However, i think i have posted more logs than anyone else, so i will not take all the blame.

Regarding the guest thing. Last game is was a bit more tolerable since it was all mostly people we are familiar with. However, this game has some players that returned from reunion day. These players dont know these guests. We all know you use guest when you use mobile; its not hard to log in and keep you logged in when on mobile. If you would like help learning how, ask me.

[immortal feud]

did anyone reveal while i was gone?

[dawn to dusk]

Recent claims:
Shock claims GN, overriding Flayer claim (no info on targets aside from ian who died anyway) (not believed to be a serious claim)
dd claims Anubis (stated no targets)
IW officially claims Warden (no target N0, targeted dd N1)

If I missed one, please do say. These are only the late D2 claims.

[Mobian]

I've tried bitching about the guest posting, AND non-player commentating/interference both last game and this one to no effect. The people in charge don't seem to care, and it's just wasting our breath.

[Linkcat]

FGO Note: I've addressed every instance of non-player interference that I am aware of. I don't see guests in chat as a huge problem if it's clear who they are, though I do ask that everyone log in before talking about any ongoing forum game. We'll definitely have some discussion on chat rules and a few polls after this game.