Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine

[MasterWalks]

For reals MW, espithel is town okay?

The fact that we didn't kill Espithel or ddevans the other day and instead wasted our lynch on JCJ was a real setback.
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon

Am i right to be confused here? are you trying to lynch off town or did new info gained within just a couple hours change your mind?

[Espithel]

Welp.

While I wait for people to start shit:

immortal feud (1) - Espithel

feel like espithel is mafia
feel like link and shock are town

C'mon, this is mafia. That's a really threadbare analysis. Would you mind elaborating on it?

just a feeling

Can you put your feelings into words so we can feel your feelings?

am bad with words
does you starting the lynch votes with me prove anything?

I did it because I want you to speak.
If you're being willfully quiet, threatening a lynch is generally a good way of opening loose tongues.

Do you want help speaking?

[immortal feud]

sure
also why does shock think you are town

[ddevans96]

The connections are between Cal and kae, and Cal and IW. Espi can discuss the former and I've talked about the latter in thread - I'm away from home on phone currently.

[shockcannon]

I still think he's town. Killing espithel day 1 would've given us more info than JCJ though. If I changed my mind and thought espithel was mafia I would probably be voting him right now. But I'm not.

[Espithel]

What was the post I made that made you think "wow, Espithel looks scummy", Feud? Quote it. I'm sure I'll be able to articulate your thoughts for you.

If it was multiple posts, quote all of those.

Please do the same for Link and Shock being town.

As for why Shock thinks I'm town? I have no idea. Shock doesn't play by the rules of normal mafia. Root would argue that's grounds to lynch him - for being a "useful idiot" to the mafia. Trying to ask for explanations from him is intentionally difficult.


@Evans:
[02:27:06] ‹shockcannon› espithel is town
[02:27:10] ‹shockcannon› UNLESS you are GN
[02:27:20] ‹shockcannon› and know he's mafia
[02:27:29] ‹shockcannon› which is why killing espithel day 1 would've given us that info
[02:27:32] ‹shockcannon› but it doesn't really matter now
[02:27:37] ‹shockcannon› JCJ already dead
[02:27:43] ‹shockcannon› and ddevans is playing you MW
[02:27:50] ‹shockcannon› he used you to get JCJ killed
[02:28:01] ‹shockcannon› and now he's conveninelty hopping onto your suspicion of kaempfer
[02:28:10] ‹shockcannon› kaempf is town
[02:28:15] ‹shockcannon› dont let ddevans use you
[02:29:02] ‹shockcannon› ‹@MasterWalks› ddevans and consistently followed you up on whoever you voted for
[02:29:12] ‹shockcannon› and then when the switch to JCJ happened he got you to switch over also
[02:29:15] ‹shockcannon› coincidence?
[02:29:24] ‹shockcannon› *ddevans has

This is more solid than what Shock normally says. How do you respond to it, Evans?

[shockcannon]

If a role that targets players but does not return information normally (such as arctic squid, mind flayer, or green nymph) hits an immune player, will they be notified?

In other words, would one of these roles be able to discover a graboid for example or do they never receive feedback on their actions?

[InsignificantWeeaboo]

Can confirm that there is at least one Otyugh in the game. dd was targeted by them.

Gonna refrain on voting for now, but figured that it could be vaguely useful to give this info.

Definitely should have mentioned this earlier, but I didn't target anyone on N0.

This is strange. Not really the content but what you did here. You've been super silent all game and the first bit of info aside from vore you say is your role and target, and even your N0 action. Warden is really good late game and you role claim when there are only 2/19 dead. Can you explain your thought process doing this? Did you not think people would assume you were ward based on that info? Or do you think Ward is a bad role?

Couldn't really think of what else to add to the convo at the moment, besides giving opinions on scum reads and posting my own. Since scum reads can only get people so far without concrete evidence, figured that I should provide something to help make the scum reads more accurate.

(Also, figured people would guess Dragonfly or another info role)

[ddevans96]

It's not conveniently hopping on kaempfer when we discussed lynching him last round and I wasn't opposed to it, and we discussed it earlier this round and I wasn't opposed to it. And I don't even see how doing everything I could to survive could be 'using' MW, since he voiced concern about why I was playing like that.

We should be ignoring shock until day 3. He provides nothing until he reveals what he thinks he knows.

[ddevans96]

I still read shock as town for the time being, ftr. He's just trying to pressure me, I respect it.

[Submachine]

If a role that targets players but does not return information normally (such as arctic squid, mind flayer, or green nymph) hits an immune player, will they be notified?

In other words, would one of these roles be able to discover a graboid for example or do they never receive feedback on their actions?

If an ability fails, the user gets notified even if it would normally not return information. On the contrary, if you are not notified with such role, then your ability didn't fail.

[dawn to dusk]

This and this are rather long, is there a nice little summary for them?