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Linkcat · « **Reply #228 on:** May 24, 2019, 12:22:16 pm »

Don't forget to post these, guys.

Spoiler for The rest of that chat discussion:

immortal feud · « **Reply #229 on:** May 24, 2019, 12:26:00 pm »

no context: shock will lose.
i will be informed tomorrow

Ginyu · « **Reply #230 on:** May 24, 2019, 01:25:20 pm »

Okay, lets add it up:

Espithel vs. MasterWalks was basically a claim with no real evidence, mostly to provoke a statement. However, as there was nothing really in the first place, Espi couldn't really defend himself. In the meantime, MW claims he knows more, which could be a good first lead even if he is lying.

Now, the problem is (from what I read) bussing getting rather popular, so even if Espi is mafia, we cannot really trust MW still. We wouldn't gain any real information, but a dead mafia. Great outcome. However, if Espi is town, we have a dead town and MW looks shady, so some information at least. As MW is on the lynch train as well, claiming to know more might also simply be a lie to defend himself. Also, checking through the ability list, I cannot really see any ability except for Golden Nymph that could give him even a tiny lead after just one night. As we agreed for Golden Nymph to not come out too early, I highly doubt he is one, or he isn't following our concept, or he is an aggressive mafia - all of which does not help us.

If there is any additional information in the chatlogs, please post them, because I couldn't bother reading through such an amount of text (I read the entire topic, however). I will hold my vote back in the meantime to cover burrowed players, which I think is a good idea. I am overall leaning to kill either Espi or MW though.

Linkcat · « **Reply #231 on:** May 24, 2019, 02:34:48 pm »

Spoiler for chat:

Now that I've finally had a chance to take a closer look at the thread, we've reached that part of Day 1 where I stop voting randomly and find an actual scumread. There's more stuff worth responding to, but these are the most important. Here we go.

First off, the idea that "town agreed to not roleblock" is silly. A majority advised against it, a minority was in favor of it, but these are just individual opinions, not a democratic vote or a binding contract. Each player makes their own decisions about when and how to use their role.

Always lynch Day 1.

Espi bringing up /who is obviously just taking something meta that was not known to everyone and making it known to everyone. This is always good for the game and you can't really read him one way or the other for it.

I disagree that lynching one of Espi/MW will give us any information. Espi always does weird shit as town or mafia so lynching him won't give us anything useful. MW thought that something weird that Espi did was weird and got on his case. He seems pretty town to me, and lynching him will just confirm that he was a town that pushed on something weird. Not really valuable information. I don't see why dd even calls this a feud, since Espi hasn't even given a proper response to MW.

Shock is intentionally being even more inflammatory than normal, like with his obvious lie about being Flayer, and is probably town again. I would expect a different style of chaotic play from him as mafia.

Revealing when you're the leading lynch at EOD is almost always good if you have information to share.

I really don't like the way dd focused the thread on Espi/MW. Instead of putting down a vote like normal, he frames it as an option between two people, which makes it fairly likely that one of those two options will be lynched at the end of the day, especially when one of them is Espi, who has always been easy to lynch. As mafia, this is a great strategy for controlling the lynch and making sure it lands on a town, since it's easy for a mafia to get lynched on Day 1 with all the random votes. And since he's only doing this for "information", he won't even get a bad look for it. Right now this is where I want to lynch.

Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (1) - Linkcat

Other people that jump out to me are Coffee for being quiet, kaempfer for not playing how I expected him to, and Root for giving me weird vibes.

Quote from: ddevans96 on May 23, 2019, 06:09:30 pm

Also, I caught a firefly.

Did you hurt it?

InsignificantWeeaboo · « **Reply #232 on:** May 24, 2019, 02:40:26 pm »

Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo

Now that I look at it, it does seem weird how dd emphasizes Espi and MW as the only options for lynching...

moehrpi · « **Reply #233 on:** May 24, 2019, 03:04:34 pm »

Quote from: ddevans96 on May 24, 2019, 01:13:03 am

I still really don't think lynching shock is the play this round. My choice is still Espi, but I would rather change my vote to MW or jcj if someone else joined me than lynch shock.

The question I now ask myself is: how useful/irrelevant is shock for town, one who does not necessarily conform to town strategies.

Above quote shows dd apparently is fine with lynching JCJ, instead of focussing on Espi/MW, but then again I don't see the benefit of that. It does not provide anything better than lynching shock?! It might be a bit scummy.

moehrpi · « **Reply #234 on:** May 24, 2019, 03:09:02 pm »

EBWOP

Quote from: moehrpi on May 24, 2019, 03:04:34 pm

Quote from: ddevans96 on May 24, 2019, 01:13:03 am
I still really don't think lynching shock is the play this round. My choice is still Espi, but I would rather change my vote to MW or jcj if someone else joined me than lynch shock.

The question I now ask myself is: how useful/irrelevant is shock for mafia, one who does not necessarily conform to town strategies.

Above quote shows dd apparently is fine with lynching JCJ, instead of focussing on Espi/MW, but then again I don't see the benefit of that. It does not provide anything better than lynching shock?! It might be a bit scummy.

shockcannon · « **Reply #235 on:** May 24, 2019, 03:53:28 pm »

I was doing some random reflections and thoughts just for fun and I thought about what would happen if I were golden nymph. Obviously I wouldn't follow expectations of laying low and hiding in the shadows hoping not to get randomly caught. But I would also know that my unexpected play is the expected play in the eyes of the mafia. Yet, they would expect that play to deviate slightly if I were GN. But if I could mimic my "normal," non-GN townie, crazy playstyle, what would happen? Maybe it would look like me throwing out an early role claim even though that was specifically advised against. Maybe that would look like me coming close to bursting out but holding it in enough as to not completely die. Maybe that would look like me getting enough town suspicion that mafia would never even think to kill me because I "unwittingly help mafia" and I am "chaotic" and I offer nothing of value to the town. Maybe I would even throw out a

mark at the end of one of my posts early on in the game seemingly as a joke after what happened in mafia 70 but as a way for town to catch on to me, because only shock would actually be stupid enough to post a

mark and really mean it. Maybe I would even reveal the inner workings behind my ideas and strategies because that's the same way I mindgate in elements the game and it's never failed before?

I had another thought. What would I do if I wanted to help protect the person I knew was golden nymph? Would I pretend to be golden nymph to make mafia waste precious resources on someone who might have the most useless role in the game? How would I get mafia to actually believe me and waste time killing me? How would I do all this without getting lynched, because then mafia wouldn't have to waste any resources on me?

Anyways, all just fun thought experiments. Was I planning to share this from the start? Uh, obviously not. I speed-built this post.

:aether

iancudorinmarian · « **Reply #236 on:** May 24, 2019, 04:57:20 pm »

I don't have any reads atm, but I firmly believe we shouldn't "no lynch".

Also, 48 hours night phases is super lame.

RootRanger · « **Reply #237 on:** May 24, 2019, 05:53:42 pm »

Quote from: Espithel
Can you elaborate on this? You seem to imply that there's no chance I can be the golden nymph.
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The odds of you being GN are the same 1-in-19 as they are for anyone else.

The odds of MW being GN are a lot higher because he made a fairly bold claim of someone being scummy. It could be that this is just a decoy breadcrumb that he's putting too much effort into justifying, or he's reading too much into insignificant details, but otherwise it means he's GN and has found a mafia. I think that option is fairly plausible.

So, between you and MW (again, this is still a dichotomy I disagree with), I think you're the better lynch candidate.

RootRanger · « **Reply #238 on:** May 24, 2019, 05:54:15 pm »

Oof, posting from my phone and messed up the quote rip

MasterWalks · « **Reply #239 on:** May 24, 2019, 06:13:54 pm »

Quote from: Linkcat on May 24, 2019, 02:34:48 pm

Other people that jump out to me are Coffee for being quiet, kaempfer for not playing how I expected him to, and Root for giving me weird vibes.

Could you elaborate on this a bit? To me, kaempfer is acting like his normal self.

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