Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat

[Naii_the_Baf]

Obligatory post, making sure I am not modkilled.

No comments so far.

I'm no better at this game than I was before q.q

[mathman101]

For now this is a no-modkill post.

I haven't had a chance to read most of last day phase yet, and would like more info before making any decisions about voting during the next day phase. Hopefully I can find more time tomorrow after work though.

[Coffeeditto]

I do have a theory going off of the info shock gave us:

On Night 0, I told MW I was Fate Egg. On Night 1, Coffee targeted me. This leaves me to believe 3 things:

1) MW and Coffee were allies, and Coffee was informed of my role by him.
2) MW told shock my role, who in turn told Coffee.
3) MW and Coffee are part of the Mafia, and and Coffee was informed of my role by him.

Fate Egg can potentially be dangerous to both sides, since it has access to many other important roles that can either help Town or harm Town (GA, Vulture, Toadfish, etc.). Coffee, knowing the risk of this role, probably targeted me to prevent anything too troublesome from happening. However, his motives for this are unknown. Normally this wouldn't be too alarming, since this could be a lucky guess. But it's still kind of strange that he targeted me the night after I revealed my role to MW.

I feel like Scenario #3 would be the best guess. Usually, you want to form alliances with people you know. Prior to this Mafia, MW and Coffee never spoke to each other (As far as I know.) And shock never mentioned once that he leaked his info to others prior to Day 2.

This could just be a coincidence, but I think shock had a good reason to suspect Coffee.

4) Coffee had no idea you were fate egg but was instructed by shock to block you.

At the time, I wasn't wary of shock and he asked me to block you because we had a pseudo-alliance beforehand. From my point of view, you are as likely to be mafia as any other 3 players on here. I apologize for not a) changing after the scuffle and b) blindly following shock. I wasn't aware of your role, and my decision was not based like this. I wanted to speak with Master because shock said out of nowhere "so I hear you've been talking with MasterWalks" who I had not contacted once all game prior. My suspicion doesn't lie upon you because this is all hunches that came to life after the shock muck-up-the-game story arc; I understand where you're coming from.

to add to this, why would coffee tell mobian what i told shock? mobian and coffee have never spoke before, not even outside the mafia game. The only conclusion i can come to is coffee is trying to stir the pot without realizing mobian would share it with me. I am going to give shock one lost ounce of trust and trust coffee may be mafia.

Mobian and I, like shock, thought it may be a good idea to form an early alliance because we had nothing to work off of. He told me he was guardian angel and shock confirmed it (or maybe not, Mobian could have lied to him too). Why would I tell shock what anyone told me, either? I never spoke with him before, not even outside the mafia game.

Now, here's the coup de grace for this one. You told me GA (purportedly Mobian) protected you N0 via PM.

mobian - guardian angel (has supposedly targeted me and JCJ with the intent of looking for the graboid)

What's going on here? Mobian either slipped or lied to one of you. @Mobian: what's the point of telling people that you had different targets than you actually did?

Finally, to wrap all of this up, I'm going to leave this line here.

2.) You will know that Coffeeditto and InsignificantWeeaboo are mafia

[MasterWalks]

Mobian and I, like shock, thought it may be a good idea to form an early alliance because we had nothing to work off of. He told me he was guardian angel and shock confirmed it (or maybe not, Mobian could have lied to him too). Why would I tell shock what anyone told me, either? I never spoke with him before, not even outside the mafia game.

Wanna elaborate on when this "alliance" with you and mobi took place? Did your "alliance" have more to it other than a single message and possible response?

[Coffeeditto]

Yes, towards the beginning of day 1 he messaged me asking me why I thought there wasn't a mafia kill. I guessed graboid/antlion/ga and after further discussion we built a trust. Wanna elaborate on why you and mobian were comfortable sharing what I said to either of you seperately with each other? Or with him sharing his role with you sometime around night 0/day 1? You said you knew who GA was way back then.

[MasterWalks]

Yes, towards the beginning of day 1 he messaged me asking me why I thought there wasn't a mafia kill. I guessed graboid/antlion/ga and after further discussion we built a trust. Wanna elaborate on why you and mobian were comfortable sharing what I said to either of you seperately with each other? Or with him sharing his role with you sometime around night 0/day 1? You said you knew who GA was way back then.

Trust

[Coffeeditto]

Yes, towards the beginning of day 1 he messaged me asking me why I thought there wasn't a mafia kill. I guessed graboid/antlion/ga and after further discussion we built a trust. Wanna elaborate on why you and mobian were comfortable sharing what I said to either of you seperately with each other? Or with him sharing his role with you sometime around night 0/day 1? You said you knew who GA was way back then.

Trust

same

[PlayerOa]

Guess we should spend the night wisely to gather as much information as possible, please help me complete this list/correct me if my thoughts are wrong, which they very well might be

Vulture - time to avenge DC. Hit that golden nymph!
Firefly - it is firefly night again, but unfortunately it's more or less all RNG at this stage. I'd say hit a new group of players to create an information base - although we can hit a mafia, what's probably even better is the chance of getting confirmed townies in lategame
Dragonfly - maybe peek at someone to confirm/deny the alliances? Either that or looking at someone with a roleclaim, kinda like the psion would. Might get some extremely important pieces of the jigsaw here, and I'm sure uncovering the truth about all this PM madness would be a huge step in the right direction

Keep in mind Root will need all this information for what it's worth, so be sure to keep him updated with as many details as possible.

tldr: Damn it sucks to have lost the Psion.
tldr2: This may or may not be like the most obvious post ever but it's time to get some reliable knowledge

[Mobian]

@Mobian: what's the point of telling people that you had different targets than you actually did?

I didn't. Shock lied about my targets to stir the pot.

[Coffeeditto]

Why did you not say that until now?

[MasterWalks]

I lied to shock about targets as he had lost my trust by that point

[MasterWalks]

Spoiler for Blab Discussion:

[15:22:10] ‹MasterWalks› ya i see. thats brutal.
[15:24:58] ‹Coffeeditto› brutal?
[15:26:26] ‹MasterWalks› yea brutal. Now mafia knows i was GA'd already
[15:26:34] ‹MasterWalks› coup de grace is perfect wording tbh
[15:27:23] ‹Coffeeditto› the point is
[15:27:27] ‹Coffeeditto› you may not have been ga'd
[15:27:42] ‹Coffeeditto› because mobian told you and shock 2 different things
[15:28:12] ‹MasterWalks› it doesnt matter much. mafia already knew after i told you
[15:31:18] ‹PlayerOa› TL;DR: mafia had no nightkill the first night because they supposedly went for MW, which then was saved by GA? Have I understood what you're saying?
[15:32:54] ‹MasterWalks› they couldve still went for graboid
[15:33:38] ‹PlayerOa› fair enough
[15:36:54] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@MasterWalks› how did they already know after you told me?
[15:37:55] ‹MasterWalks› Know what?
[15:39:37] ‹MasterWalks› know what you told mobian?
[15:43:07] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@MasterWalks› no, why mafia "already knew after [you] told [me]".
[15:48:34] ‹Coffeeditto› content
[15:52:52] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Lol mafia trying to kill a newbie first night? LOL
[15:53:55] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Coffeeditto› Yea cuz youre mafia. so by me telling you mafia knows
[15:55:23] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@MasterWalks› why am I now mafia in your head? what is your leading suspicion
[15:55:50] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Coffeeditto› shocks dying breath and your quote on it.
[15:56:20] ‹MasterWalks› granted, i believed you to be mafia more than before you made that post
[15:57:28] ‹Coffeeditto› so you're not open to the alternative idea that the most estranged and oddly playing town member was incorrect on his tells?
[15:57:31] ‹MasterWalks› you telling mobian what was said made me believe you were just trying to stir the pot and get town to lynch town. But now that i know you had discussions with mobian before hand, its makes a bit mroe sense
[15:58:01] ‹Coffeeditto› why would what I said make the town lynch town?
[15:58:27] ‹Coffeeditto› and furthermore, my quote of shock was to show that Insig and I are both mafia according to shock
[16:02:04] ‹MasterWalks› Town lynch Town? Cuz its a free kill without having to NK.
[16:02:30] ‹MasterWalks› Shock gathered an insane amount of intel before dying. Some of what he says may be truth
[16:02:47] ‹Coffeeditto› sorry, my question was phrased awkwardly
[16:03:11] ‹Coffeeditto› in what way would the stuff that I said incite a town member to lynch another town member?
[16:03:45] ‹Coffeeditto› if that's what really what was going to happen, I wouldn't have said it but my impression was that I was sharing info with my pact mate, like you did too
[16:04:02] ‹Coffeeditto› I guess the only reason I'm mafia is because you're not even though you're doing the same things
[16:04:17] ‹MasterWalks› everything changed when you said you had an alliance with mobian
[16:04:23] ‹Coffeeditto› I still don't mafia read you but I don't support your train of thought or follow your logic
[16:06:51] ‹MasterWalks› this is my first time playing mafia or even hearing about it. I know if i was mafia, i would try to incite infighting. If this is a viable strategy or not, i have no idea. Most of my logic comes at face value or conspiracy theories
[16:07:32] ‹Linkcat› It's fun watching you play for the first time.
[16:08:27] ‹MasterWalks› lol thanks. Am i good at it?
[16:08:58] ‹Coffeeditto› he can't comment on that
[16:09:07] ‹Coffeeditto› it would possibly reveal too much
[16:09:12] ‹MasterWalks› oh. makes sense
[16:09:17] ‹Coffeeditto› but I would say you're pushing in all the right ways
[16:09:31] ‹Coffeeditto› just got the wrong person
[16:09:38] ‹Coffeeditto› alright back to hating each other
[16:10:18] ‹MasterWalks› Oh well thanks.
[16:10:28] ‹MasterWalks› nice to hear a mafia compliment a townie
[16:10:39] ‹Coffeeditto› weird flex
[16:10:43] ‹MasterWalks› equality is alive and well in the etg community
[16:13:13] ‹Coffeeditto› arguable
[16:13:15] ‹Linkcat› ‹@MasterWalks› Obviously you're a master.
[16:13:20] ‹Coffeeditto› nothing is alive in the etg community
[16:13:48] ‹MasterWalks› oof