Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat

[Linkcat]

All lore has been updated.

[iancudorinmarian]

So that taught us that Root's hunch is as good as any other's as this point, as the golden nymph is dead.

[JonathanCrazyJ]

Yo, this happens every time. New mafia players just don't understand
a) not to associate annoyances you have with a way a player is playing with the person (except in cases where you get 60 private messages in 2 weeks from submachine )
b) if people are getting angry at you for the way you are playing THEY ARE NOT ANGRY AT YOU AND YOU SHOULD NOT TAKE IT PERSONALLY.

Jesus it's a game of suspicion, false information and literally voting to kill someone each day. OFCOURSE YOU WON'T LIKE BEING LYNCHED.

FWIW, I actually quite enjoyed some of the way shock was playing, and i didn't get a mafia vibe from him. But it's well established that all lyers must die so nevermind, onwards and upwards.

[PlayerOa]

FWIW, I actually quite enjoyed some of the way shock was playing, and i didn't get a mafia vibe from him. But it's well established that all lyers must die so nevermind, onwards and upwards.

Qft.

[JonathanCrazyJ]

at least he was proactive and not just sit and wait to die lol

[Submachine]

a) not to associate annoyances you have with a way a player is playing with the person (except in cases where

If you insist on bringing up something that happened six years ago and only once, then maybe you are not the best person to tell us to not keep annoyances. It's not an exception, get over this too.

[Linkcat]

The fact that that happened four entire years ago and we're all still around to meme about it is mind-boggling to me.

[Submachine]

EBWOP: I agree though. What happens in Mafia n should stay in Mafia n. (n is the number of the mafia game.)

Let's focus on what we can now. I still don't fully understand the full picture of shock's actions, because I didn't get clarification when I asked for one. I will work with assumptions until I get more answers.

If I understand the situation correctly, shock is voted on, because he claimed different roles to various people, but then those people figured out that he was lying to everyone about his role. I missed the part how those people figured this out or if he lied about anything else. I would appreciate if someone cleared this up for me.

So, now that we know he was a Town Otyugh, we can start making connections. He called out a handful of names by role, including Mobian, Coffee, Insig and JCJ. He also grew an adamant suspicion of Coffee towards the end of the day phase. His reasoning started in this post.

Also, Linkcat is a ninja, so this isn't really EBWOP any more. ^^"

[JonathanCrazyJ]

I'm only teasing sub

[InsignificantWeeaboo]

I do have a theory going off of the info shock gave us:

On Night 0, I told MW I was Fate Egg. On Night 1, Coffee targeted me. This leaves me to believe 3 things:

1) MW and Coffee were allies, and Coffee was informed of my role by him.
2) MW told shock my role, who in turn told Coffee.
3) MW and Coffee are part of the Mafia, and and Coffee was informed of my role by him.

Fate Egg can potentially be dangerous to both sides, since it has access to many other important roles that can either help Town or harm Town (GA, Vulture, Toadfish, etc.). Coffee, knowing the risk of this role, probably targeted me to prevent anything too troublesome from happening. However, his motives for this are unknown. Normally this wouldn't be too alarming, since this could be a lucky guess. But it's still kind of strange that he targeted me the night after I revealed my role to MW.

I feel like Scenario #3 would be the best guess. Usually, you want to form alliances with people you know. Prior to this Mafia, MW and Coffee never spoke to each other (As far as I know.) And shock never mentioned once that he leaked his info to others prior to Day 2.

This could just be a coincidence, but I think shock had a good reason to suspect Coffee.

[MasterWalks]

I do have a theory going off of the info shock gave us:

On Night 0, I told MW I was Fate Egg. On Night 1, Coffee targeted me. This leaves me to believe 3 things:

1) MW and Coffee were allies, and Coffee was informed of my role by him.
2) MW told shock my role, who in turn told Coffee.
3) MW and Coffee are part of the Mafia, and and Coffee was informed of my role by him.

Fate Egg can potentially be dangerous to both sides, since it has access to many other important roles that can either help Town or harm Town (GA, Vulture, Toadfish, etc.). Coffee, knowing the risk of this role, probably targeted me to prevent anything too troublesome from happening. However, his motives for this are unknown. Normally this wouldn't be too alarming, since this could be a lucky guess. But it's still kind of strange that he targeted me the night after I revealed my role to MW.

I feel like Scenario #3 would be the best guess. Usually, you want to form alliances with people you know. Prior to this Mafia, MW and Coffee never spoke to each other (As far as I know.) And shock never mentioned once that he leaked his info to others prior to Day 2.

This could just be a coincidence, but I think shock had a good reason to suspect Coffee.

Theory 2 is correct.
I was very very suspicious of you. Just like you said, people try to form alliances with people they know. I approached you in an attempt to do so. You gave me short responses and revealed a fairly neutral role (a role that at the time i thought was somewhat useless, now i see thats not true) so i was wary. I jumped to conclusions and figured you mafia, still in question about it tbh. So, shock approached me with attempts to trade intel. I agreed, since i have spoke to shock in the past. He asked me how suspicious i was of you, i said pretty suspicious. **So we trade some intel** then YOU pm me telling me shock asked you the same question, only about me. Thats red flag #1. Im already suspicious of you then shock goes and talks to you, i figured he was going to try to set us up or he was mafia working with you. So i give shock some truth and some lie, i tell him i thought insig and mobian were mafia. shock then tells coffee that. coffee tells mobian. mobian bring it back to me. full circle. Red Flag #2. At this point i have 0 trust in shock. coffee and i cross check roles shock sent us and realized he lied to one of us if not both. So i pact together coffee, you, mobian, and we all pm ash telling him the whole story. Now we are here.

** The intel traded was mobians role. mobian was already super duper sketched about shock and was wary of forming an alliance with him. I talked mobian into it and built trust around shock. Mobian gave me permission to trade his role in exchange for shocks. shock then destroys that trust built and cue mobians rampage. He was upset he thought he could trust shock and shock proved untrustworthy. Not to mention shock threw like 5 people under the bus.

[MasterWalks]

to add to this, why would coffee tell mobian what i told shock? mobian and coffee have never spoke before, not even outside the mafia game. The only conclusion i can come to is coffee is trying to stir the pot without realizing mobian would share it with me. I am going to give shock one lost ounce of trust and trust coffee may be mafia.