Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat

[PlayerOa]

JonathanCrazyJ (1) - mathman101
Mobian (1) - DoubleCapitals
No Lynch (1) - Mobian
RootRanger (6) - RootRanger, InsignificantWeeaboo, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks, Submachine, PlayerOa

Root =/= justaburd, support!

[mathman101]

Mobian (1) - DoubleCapitals
No Lynch (1) - Mobian
RootRanger (7) - RootRanger, InsignificantWeeaboo, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks, Submachine, PlayerOa, mathman101

I cant think of a good reason root would intentionally kill himself if he wasnt Phoenix, or if he were mafia ash. As such, I am willing to follow the train.

[Mobian]

Mobian (1) - DoubleCapital
RootRanger (8) - RootRanger, InsignificantWeeaboo, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks, Submachine, PlayerOa, mathman101, Mobian

Seems like everyone else is on board with Root's self-righteous suicide, so I'll board that train.

[DoubleCapitals]

Mobian (1) - DoubleCapitals
RootRanger (8) - RootRanger, InsignificantWeeaboo, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks, Submachine, PlayerOa, mathman101, Mobian

Fixed.

[JonathanCrazyJ]

In answer to mathman, my reasoning is because of the no nightkill, so the mafia would be forced to switch nightkill targets because they wouldn't know if teh player they misslynched last time was grabboid or not. if nobody voted, graboids would be hidden, meaning mafia would be forced to switch target, and angel would have a chance to intercept nightkill for a second night. Added to the fact that in this game the existance of phoenix means that if we accidentally force golden nymph to claim to avoid a misslynch, we lose an even more powerful role than normal.

that was my reasoning, but I was still on teh fence... remember it wasn't my idea i just wasn't as anti it as I normally am.

Still, I like the phoenix plan. However, root will need to somehow discern who is mafia and who is not... how will he know those claiming golden nymph to him are legit, and who are mafia fake claiming.

Going to be an interesting game

[iancudorinmarian]

teh

Okay, JCJ sounds legit. If he was nervous he'd probably write the word correctly.

[MasterWalks]

Mobian (1) - DoubleCapitals
RootRanger (7) - RootRanger, InsignificantWeeaboo, iancudorinmarian, Submachine, PlayerOa, mathman101, Mobian
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks

Root has pharaoh. He plans on getting his very own cop kill. Turning himself into ash does nothing strategic.

Shock is mafia.

Spoiler for proof:

[14:26:08] ‹MasterWalks› alright guys, shock is mafia.
[14:27:35] ‹MasterWalks› in his first post he claims he has GA (kinda). This would mean the town wouldnt want to lynch him. But that would make him a target for NK, but he cant get targeted by NK cuz he is already mafia
[14:28:50] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› How do you know he is not a grabboid or an ant lion though?
[14:29:08] ‹MasterWalks› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[14:29:18] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› Both of those are untargetable during night also. For both abilities and NK.
[14:30:14] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› He doesnt claim angel there. He just questions about its claiming for strategic purposes.
[14:30:56] ‹MasterWalks› no, but he implies it
[14:31:31] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› No he doesnt. He is asking for strategic purposes for whoever else is the angel.
[14:32:00] ‹MasterWalks› impling he has GA would make him a def target for NK. If he had grabby, he saved the town by getting NK targeted to him, but i dont think he was able to come up with that strategy in his first mafia game
[14:32:11] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› All of us know shock to ask the oddball questions up front, he has actually done angel a favour and saved them not having to ask it themselves.
[14:32:40] ‹MasterWalks› well, no one gave him a straight answer
[14:33:26] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› Why would we this early though? No one can trust anyone else yet as we are all still figuring out who is mafia with the little to no info we have.
[14:33:31] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› ‹@MasterWalks› He did reveal he was SC.
[14:34:37] ‹MasterWalks› i dont believe that one bit.
[14:34:47] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› Where does he claim S.cat.?
[14:34:55] ‹MasterWalks› he is just diverting attention
[14:35:08] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[14:35:17] ‹MasterWalks› wait wrong one
[14:35:33] ‹MasterWalks› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[14:35:44] ‹MasterWalks› that link shows he claims SC
[14:37:40] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› Hmm, I feel like most people saying that would be just trying to divert attention.
[14:38:05] ‹MasterWalks› exactly
[14:38:26] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› But for some reason I think shock has that creative mindset that would allow him to actually do that though.
[14:38:57] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› It is a risky plan, and most likely a waste since it is only a OU skill
[14:39:16] ‹MasterWalks› well its working. no one has mentioned shock since that post and we already have 8 votes on root.

[JonathanCrazyJ]

I recieved a PM from shock 2 days ago.

He seemed to think that mafia could be tempted to jump on the idea of voting for him because his resonses have been called out as scummy sounding. Personally I don't think he has done anything directly scummy, it's just his personality. However, that's also teh reason I thought it was unlikeley he'd be lynched.

he went on to say he planned to be quiet for a while to see if anyone aggressively voted on him.

I have a question for MW. Why do you think root is Pharoah? Why would he kill himself as town or mafia just for an attempted snipe? It doesn't make sense. The phoenix plan is reasonably sound, except that he won't know if the people PMing him are actually town or mafia.

Personally I am in favour of holding off on the phoenix kill. He is all but confirmed town due to targeting himself, so we can use him just as well alive or dead, just make the mafia do the killing not us. Saves us a lynch to target someone else.

[iancudorinmarian]

MasterWalks, mafia suiciding just to maybe kill the golden nymph is probably dumb. I don't think someone like Root would try to pull that off.

[Linkcat]

Spoiler for chat:

[14:39:37] ‹MasterWalks› if we kill root, we wastes his first death and silence him.
[14:39:42] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› Things can change quickly if new info arises.
[14:41:21] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› We'd also have to confirm who's both a Civ and has an Info Role...
[14:41:26] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› I still dont see any reason root would lynch himself though without a strategic plan in place.
[14:42:01] ‹MasterWalks› turning himself into ash is not that strategic unless he has pharaoh
[14:43:02] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› We need to find a way that the info roles can coordinate their targets.
[14:43:40] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› Even something simple like we choose 3-4 people. And then they each pick one to target, or roll for their target from those 4.
[14:44:44] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› That way it minimizes their pool of targets to help gain a full set of info faster. But doesnt become a complete waste if mafia nightkills one player.
[14:51:43] ‹MasterWalks› ok
[14:52:08] ‹MasterWalks› oh hey shock, hows your day going?
[14:54:12] ‹shockcannon› good
[14:54:24] ‹shockcannon› unfortunately can't stay to chat
[14:54:36] ‹MasterWalks› that is just fine
[15:17:23] ‹MasterWalks› okay so lets gather together information we know for sure. 1) There is a firefly. 2) Shock is not mafia, which means we publicly have a confirmed civ if we can take jcj's word for it. 3) Root either has phoenix or pharaoh.
[15:17:30] ‹MasterWalks› what else?
[15:17:58] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› We already have one confirmed Civ, but we don't know who it is
[15:18:37] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› you could say root is now confirmed civ by outing himself. in which case we don't actually need to kill him
[15:19:31] ‹MasterWalks› well the post jcj just put up has convinced me
[15:19:34] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› ‹@MasterWalks› shock is by no means confirmed civ
[15:20:09] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› but his defence of himself by pm to me rather than by post in chat makes me lean towards a chaotic town read
[15:20:09] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@JonathanCrazyJ› did he talk to you much before mafia started?
[15:20:20] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› not at all
[15:20:26] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› his pm was in response to this
[15:20:59] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› ‹@JonathanCrazyJ› I get where you're coming from regarding the Phoenix kill, but I feel like the Mafia will spare Root now that they know he's Phoenix.
[15:21:09] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-70-by-linkcat/msg1288004/#msg1288004
[15:21:16] ‹MasterWalks› thats strange. If he didnt speak to you much before this, it surprises me he would reach out to you. Ofc he could reach out to you due to exp
[15:21:19] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› exactly
[15:21:33] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› they will spare him, meaning he can act as and ACTUAL mouthpiece for town
[15:21:44] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› ofc it could be an incredible gambit
[15:21:50] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› but unlikely
[15:23:12] ‹MasterWalks› if we can consider root as a confirmed civ, and he does have phoenix, than having a semi immortal civ is very very handy.
[15:23:42] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› the actual kill seems unnecessary
[15:24:35] ‹MasterWalks› we need to switch lynch targets
[15:30:00] ‹PlayerOa› i'd kinda like to wait for root's response before doing anything though
[15:30:41] ‹PlayerOa› we have like 30 hours left anyway

[MasterWalks]

Unless he has information on who the GN is. We know that players PM each other. Root may just have played it cool but now has information on a vital role due to another player talking to him.




but yea you guys are probably right

[dawn to dusk]

We have yet to see a Phoenix counterclaim, and although roles are not Unique, it is unlikely he would lie in risk of a counterclaim. Plus, it gives day 1 Mafia - Civ which almost always benefits Civ. Even if he lands a priority role, Mafia - Cop I believe favours Civ still. I may be wrong