Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat

[JonathanCrazyJ]

Golden nymph dying makes voting on his target a foregone conclusion. Mobian must die.

[Mobian]

Lying to people isn't a terribly effective way to garner trust, Mr. Cannon. Being caught in the lies just makes you a fool.

I wanted to see what would happen if I PMed several different people my role, but gave each one of them a different answer and then implied a trust where we wouldn't share with others. Thanks for showing me who's really working together.
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So, lemme get this straight... You wanted to see who you could trust by noisily spreading misinformation, and seeing who all would compare notes and realize you're just gathering intel without giving anything worthwhile in return? And those people who realized you were trying to play them were somehow.... wrong to do so?

[PlayerOa]

Yeah, I'm with Mobian on this one.

Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, shockcannon
shockcannon (3) - MasterWalks, Mobian, PlayerOa

[iancudorinmarian]

Surely lynching the noisy shock can wait one day in favour of getting new info by lynching Mobian, right? I'm pretty sure DC's chat reasoning was just him trying to conceal he's Golden Nymph, hoping we would get back to lynching Mobian at some point.

[Mobian]

Surely lynching the noisy shock can wait one day in favour of getting new info by lynching Mobian, right? I'm pretty sure DC's chat reasoning was just him trying to conceal he's Golden Nymph, hoping we would get back to lynching Mobian at some point.

If that was the case, why did he change his vote? Why didn't he try to expose me, or leave a contingency plan in place? Sometimes, things are as they appear at face value.

[iancudorinmarian]

Either way, I'm willing to take the bet. To me, you're a dead man walking at this point.

[Mobian]

Either way, I'm willing to take the bet. To me, you're a dead man walking at this point.

I forgive you for allowing fear to cloud your judgement.

[dawn to dusk]

If we're basing this vote 100% off DC being Golden Nymph, then I disagree on bandwagoning onto him this early. If he is mafia, Root will for sure vote for him. As such, if Root doesn't vote for him, DC probably didn't tell Root he's mafia.
If we're voting for him on the basis of "DC was town then DC died so we're killing the person who DC voted for" then that's probably decent enough of a reason, considering the lack of information we have, but this kind of thinking won't fit for later days.


Still abstaining vote to protect the identity of Graboid for now

[iancudorinmarian]

Either way, I'm willing to take the bet. To me, you're a dead man walking at this point.

I forgive you for allowing fear to cloud your judgement.

Fear of what? I'm making a valid assumption here, it's not like I rolled a die to lynch you.

If we're basing this vote 100% off DC being Golden Nymph, then I disagree on bandwagoning onto him this early. If he is mafia, Root will for sure vote for him. As such, if Root doesn't vote for him, DC probably didn't tell Root he's mafia.
If we're voting for him on the basis of "DC was town then DC died so we're killing the person who DC voted for" then that's probably decent enough of a reason, considering the lack of information we have, but this kind of thinking won't fit for later days.


Still abstaining vote to protect the identity of Graboid for now

Fair, Root can help.

I'm not sure I quite agree with the overall opinion in your statement though. So you're saying we shouldn't vote on him because a Golden Nymph did, but because a Town did? That's a weird statement if anything.

[Mobian]

You're ignoring half the picture because it doesn't suit the narrative you expect. You don't have any solid intel aside from the bored action of one person, who didn't even commit to said action. To you, truth is irrelevant, because you only see what you want, instead of what is.

[dawn to dusk]

While the chance that DC voted for Mobian because he found out Mobian was mafia N0 is significantly greater than it being a random vote (gathered from the fact that if Mobian is mafia, mafia probably has some informative role, or otherwise randomly voted for DC for some other reason, this stuff gets complicated and can be dealt with at a later date), there's still a great chance that DC's vote was truly random. I personally wouldn't mind voting for Mobian, but be prepared to change your votes if the circumstances change.
So I'm not necessarily saying "Don't vote for him because GN voted for him", I'm more saying that due to Root, we have the option of preferencing our votes based on who we think is mafia from tells, rather than who we think is mafia based on what roles were used. The former option sparks more discussion which can help in the long run, while the latter is more of a guideline if we don't think of anything.

[DoubleCapitals]

I believe I'm allowed a blah post.