Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou

[killsdazombies]

No esp, I agree with kuro, the person who says "Kill X please" Is the person sending in the nightkill, you cant force someone else to make an action

[Espithel]

Have fun having no one die on the first night, then

*Cough*

No, the reason why it should be and was a thing is because of issues of optimal play, people being inactive, and the one person who was doing anything not horribly dying on the first night, watching everything he set up crash and burn. At the risk of sounding like an arrogant twat, I had to badger the mafia from the grave - borderline breaking the rules about not talking - to get nightkills done. Not trying to offend my fwiends on the mafia side, but that's how it was.

Not to mention that every other mafia I've been mafia, this was completely fine. It's really the (apparent) sudden change of rules that's causing this.

Maybe I should just hate on roles that care about which mafia member sends in the kill instead; then this wouldn't even be an issue.

[worldwideweb3]

i agree with espi. No one should be penalised because of timezones or something. If mafia want to send in nk in the name of another mafia, nothing wrong with that at all. They are one team

[killsdazombies]

i agree with espi. No one should be penalised because of timezones or something. If mafia want to send in nk in the name of another mafia, nothing wrong with that at all. They are one team

If its established ahead of time, theres not a problem with it, but I would be pissed if I was on espithels team, and he sent in an action under my name, thats insane. They are one team, and they do have a certain level of togetherness, but there has to be SOME autonomy. Else one person may as well just play for all 4

[Espithel]

i agree with espi. No one should be penalised because of timezones or something. If mafia want to send in nk in the name of another mafia, nothing wrong with that at all. They are one team

If its established ahead of time, theres not a problem with it, but I would be pissed if I was on espithels team, and he sent in an action under my name, thats insane. They are one team, and they do have a certain level of togetherness, but there has to be SOME autonomy. Else one person may as well just play for all 4

I'll give you that.
Where is the exact boundary, then?

[killsdazombies]

I think if players are in agreement to allowing each other to use abilities freely, thats perfectly acceptable. As long as everyone is on the same page I dont see a problem with it, but in this case ESPECIALLY, a player was going to die, either fabian would be upset, or you would.

[Kuroaitou]

I think if players are in agreement to allowing each other to use abilities freely, thats perfectly acceptable. As long as everyone is on the same page I dont see a problem with it, but in this case ESPECIALLY, a player was going to die, either fabian would be upset, or you would.

Exactly. I was hesitant to let the Criminal team know either way what would happen upon targeting UTA (...why were you targeting him first?), given that fabian's ability was more or less just as useful (if not MORE useful) as Espithel's.

There's a lot of funny things that happened throughout the days, but I'll reveal them if people ask only.

[worldwideweb3]

I think if players are in agreement to allowing each other to use abilities freely, thats perfectly acceptable. As long as everyone is on the same page I dont see a problem with it, but in this case ESPECIALLY, a player was going to die, either fabian would be upset, or you would.

Exactly. I was hesitant to let the Criminal team know either way what would happen upon targeting UTA (...why were you targeting him first?), given that fabian's ability was more or less just as useful (if not MORE useful) as Espithel's.

There's a lot of funny things that happened throughout the days, but I'll reveal them if people ask only.

Reveal the funny business.

[Espithel]

I was hesitant to let the Criminal team know either way what would happen upon targeting UTA (...why were you targeting him first?)

Simple.

So you see, I have this magical hidden list of everyone. I call it the "People who aren't Rob or Linkcat that need to die" list; Because all the doctor roles always hit Rob and Linkcat, I just avoid them and focus on the equally talented people just below them. The fact that Rob was a useful idiot for the first day also meant he was fine to keep alive (Given his post count, I regret this)

UTA is near the top of that list. KDZ is at the very top because he has an eerie ability to understand what the hell I'm doing, but ridding him instantly could've drawn suspicion to me because of that q.q
I just got rng'd at the end, though.

[ddevans96]

gg.

Sorry for shooting you, iancu - unfortunately not every play works out perfectly.

[rob77dp]

Excellent. Good game all - especially Town.

I support the "not a group kill/action" ruling on the night kills. The reason THIS game in particular should be that way is because so many roles mention SPECIFIC players doing actions.

A lot of the power roles - for example, UTA's refugee role among many others - would be dang near USELESS or PURELY MAFIA-SIDED if the night kill did not require specific player to be considered as "doing the action". In a more 'vanilla' or less-involved-with-night-stuff-roles type of setup is going on then maybe it makes sense at the outset to be clear that mafia NK is group-action and can be sent by any member.

[rob77dp]

Also, @Kuroaitou, I fully support a full reveal in the main first post including each players, their primary and secondary roles, and a list of all night actions sent etc.

Is there any kind of reason or argument to NOT reveal that?!?