Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou

[rob77dp]

My current reads.

Town, in descending order: UTA, dd, rob, gino, mathman, Sub, Sol, JCJ, fabian

Neutral, alphabetical order: dawn, DC, ian, kdz

Scum: Coffee

@rob:
Is your read of JCJ primarily based on his No Lynch stance? Was there more after that I'm forgetting?

Why ian and kdz on the scum end of things?

~ Max 1 between Coffee/Sol
~ Max 1 between gino/fabian/DC/ian
~ Max 1 between dawn/math/kdz

Coffee > ian > dawn/kdz

My town-reads right now:
UTA/dd > Sub/JCJ/gino > Sol/math > fabian/DC

I see the logic here and agree that this is likely the case. Something nice here is mafia has to risk hitting a protected town read player or reducing A) the pool of neutral-scum read players, or B) the pool of players from each section of Luna's read list.

1.

Spoiler for I'm town-AKA_not-Criminal reading JCJ right now:

from both his mindmelding with me on No Lynch stance (this is not very influential though because we both know before/during/after/either-alignment that we both detest the first-day No Lynch) _AND_ this:

Coffeeditto (3) - rob77dp, Submachine, JonathanCrazyJ
Submachine (3) - Solaris, iancudorinmarian, Lunaris

Whether Linkcat wanted him dead or not, I don't see Coffee as scum. Just because a confirmed townie wanted a player dead, that doesn't make that player mafia.

This is interesting, because link also wanted you dead

I don't think it is likely that JCJ would call out his teammate in that spot. I wolfed with him before and that may happen in certain pressure situation but that was pretty low-key and he scalded Luna a bit with it...

2.

Spoiler for My read on ian should be mostly covered here::

I really don't know what to believe anymore, but I assume I can safely follow what Link wanted.

Coffeeditto (5) - rob77dp, Submachine, JonathanCrazyJ, Solaris, iancudorinmarian
Submachine (1) -  Lunaris

I'm still going to lynch Sub at some point though. Maybe Lunaris as well, but she looks more and more like town.

This was a bit out of the blue from ian with a town-read on Lunaris -- ian also ignored my wanting him to follow-up explaining why his read on Lunaris was shifting in the towny direction:

I really don't know what to believe anymore, but I assume I can safely follow what Link wanted.

Coffeeditto (5) - rob77dp, Submachine, JonathanCrazyJ, Solaris, iancudorinmarian
Submachine (1) -  Lunaris

I'm still going to lynch Sub at some point though. Maybe Lunaris as well, but she looks more and more like town.

Please go further into how you've developed your town-read on Luna. I'm interested to see your view/take/opinion and how you arrived there.

Also, please confirm or correct my presumption that you are saying your scum-read on Coffee is based on 'follow what Link wanted'. Thanks.

Like... why is ian saying he would maybe Lunaris but he thinks she is being more towny -- now she flips Criminal?

[rob77dp]

Ok So slipping back to the op to start posting some thoughts and making sure we don't miss anyone for the reads list. A general compilation of what we know thus far.

Please stop me if we think that this is a bad idea

Truth: I don't what you're asking or telling us here, gino...

[UTAlan]

And kdz?

[UTAlan]

(That JCJ whip to Luna does help his case.)

[UTAlan]

((quip*))

[Coffeeditto]

[seriously trying to calm my jets... lynching a Criminal has my competitive juices flowing right now though, thank me later town]

3. dd being in Neutral is... well, I think it is telling -- dd had already all but been confirmed as town by the Link claims and death/flip. It either is lack of attention to details in the thread despite following it/posting (a scum-tell sometimes) or desire to keep dd on the table despite the Link stuff.

ddevans - I have no idea about him. I think he's slightly more town than neutral, but he could go either way. I know he's posted a lot, but I can't confidently call him either role. Possibly INT.

Does this take into consideration Link claiming cop, claiming I'm town, and flipping cop?

It didn't, as I forgot about that; that confirms you as town, though.

Rob, see above.

Alright, here's my last ditch effort to suggest my innocence.

Here's what I think happened: Lunaris knew she and/or I would be lynched soon, so, in a smart play, she started clinging to me. Constantly townreading, being certain I was town, and she knew I was town because I sure as hell am not mafia. So, by essentially binding our roles together, Luna made sure that if I was lynched and flipped town then she looked town and if she was lynched and flipped maf then I look maf. Win/win situation for maf either way here.

UTA, rob, thoughts please

[godisnowonline]

should i post a list of eveyone and current general opinion? i cut it out of my post. I didn't know if it would do more harm than good.

[UTAlan]

Definitely possible, Coffee. But you have been read as scum all game by multiple players. Not too late to turn things around. Get yourself a good mindgate NK save. Or find another way to help town over the next 3-4 (rl) days. Give us a better lynch target

[UTAlan]

Definitely possible, Coffee. But you have been read as scum all game by multiple players. Not too late to turn things around. Get yourself a good mindgate NK save. Or find another way to help town over the next 3-4 (rl) days. Give us a better lynch target

Or get NK'd

[Coffeeditto]

So, you don't want me on you?

[UTAlan]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Right now I want and need to do to sleep. We have time to figure out night actions.

[dawn to dusk]

dawn - I've read your recent flurry of posts/activity a couple times through and cannot solidly put my finger on one non-hedged and non-qualified opinion or read of yours in there.

/reads-one-more-time

Yeah, you basically lay down your bigpost ending it with "but everything I've said might be wrong or unoriginal or ???who knows???". You voted Coffee despite the reason being and then very quickly unvote him when the circular-reasoning of it is pointed out. Leads me to believe you were not very invested in that vote in the first place -- if so, why is now the time you're ok just tossing a bland vote out there but never earlier or not onto your 2nd top suspect (not sure at all who you think is Criminals because you haven't shared those thoughts yet)?

That was sarcasm. Of course I could be wrong. Or I could be right. If I was 100% certain on anything, then my post wouldn't be hypothetical, it would be facts, would it not? So of course I would need to entertain the possibility that I am wrong.
Legit did you read my third post on that page? Serious question.

The point of that was, if you flip mafia, then further information against Lun can nail her as either hard scum or hard town depending on what it is. Much like what I think with rob.

Also no, I am not hitman.