Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou

[UTAlan]

At least we have an entire night phase plus the NK to use for even more info.

[rob77dp]

I really don't know what to believe anymore, but I assume I can safely follow what Link wanted.

Coffeeditto (5) - rob77dp, Submachine, JonathanCrazyJ, Solaris, iancudorinmarian
Submachine (1) -  Lunaris

I'm still going to lynch Sub at some point though. Maybe Lunaris as well, but she looks more and more like town.

This was a bit out of the blue from ian with a town-read on Lunaris -- ian also ignored my wanting him to follow-up explaining why his read on Lunaris was shifting in the towny direction:

I really don't know what to believe anymore, but I assume I can safely follow what Link wanted.

Coffeeditto (5) - rob77dp, Submachine, JonathanCrazyJ, Solaris, iancudorinmarian
Submachine (1) -  Lunaris

I'm still going to lynch Sub at some point though. Maybe Lunaris as well, but she looks more and more like town.

Please go further into how you've developed your town-read on Luna. I'm interested to see your view/take/opinion and how you arrived there.

Also, please confirm or correct my presumption that you are saying your scum-read on Coffee is based on 'follow what Link wanted'. Thanks.

Like... why is ian saying he would maybe Lunaris but he thinks she is being more towny -- now she flips Criminal?

[mathman101]

I want fabian. I'm just getting a faint wiff of criminality from him. But it puts us at 3 scum if we use links list. (his last list was iirc luna math and coffee)

This was the most recent list I found of his:

That Jailor claim was so bad, I'm townreading him for it.

I almost forgot you were playing... what can you offer for comments and reads on the current game state?

Current read list:

Town - Sol, Sub, UTA, rob, dd, gino

Eh - JCJ, kdz, iancu

Please Shoot - DC, dawn, fabian

Mafia - Coffee, Lunaris, mathman

Before you ask, JCJ was moved to Eh because there's no room for him on my mafia team.

Don't lynch Town unless you have a really good reason. Lynch Mafia in order. If Coffee isn't mafia then lynch Eh in order. Shoot Please Shoot in order unless they start being more active. That's how I see the game right now.

[rob77dp]

Coffeeditto (3) - rob77dp, Submachine, JonathanCrazyJ
Submachine (3) - Solaris, iancudorinmarian, Lunaris

Whether Linkcat wanted him dead or not, I don't see Coffee as scum. Just because a confirmed townie wanted a player dead, that doesn't make that player mafia.

This is interesting, because link also wanted you dead

Same idea applies to me.

Awkward defense of the cranking up of a train on Coffee -- Luna votes Sub on the premise solely of defending Coffee as not scum.

[rob77dp]

Coffeeditto (4) - rob77dp, Submachine, JonathanCrazyJ, Solaris
mathman101 (2) - iancudorinmarian, Lunaris

Still sticking to my belief that Coffee is town, and at this point I would much rather have a lynch train going for mathman than me.

I think that if Coffee was town and Luna was in-thread and going to lay a vote it would have been very easy to vote on Coffee. Instead, keeps off of Coffee and vote the LOWER wagon onto math. I'm really having 2nd thoughts about this plan involving trusting Coffee to BG in town favor...

[godisnowonline]

I could be wrong. I just know that fabian has been useless town so far. He also claims to have been targeted by a jailor but no one is speaking up about it. I actually tinfoil hat think that coffee is town.

[rob77dp]

Coffeeditto (4) - rob77dp, Submachine, JonathanCrazyJ, Solaris
mathman101 (2) - iancudorinmarian, Lunaris

Still sticking to my belief that Coffee is town, and at this point I would much rather have a lynch train going for mathman than me.

Do you scum-read math?

I don't town-read him.

Conflicted on how much this should affect my read on mathman... flipped Criminal labeling mathman this way -- if math is Luna's teammate then I think Coffee has to be (refer to my previous post on this) _AND_ the logic behind this vote is to not be a lone-vote off somewhere while also keeping both wagons manageable. This is somewhat flimsy though and the most logical explanation is that Coffee is likely a teammate of Luna's and math was the ML target.

[rob77dp]

So I should put together a reads list right now?

That sounds like a good plan

Hi.

What're you up to there Luna?

What do you mean? I was simply stating that making a reads list is a good idea for him in case he does get lynched, so town has something to go off of.

At the time this seemed like a bit over-the-top reaction... I really was getting at the fact that she was poking Coffee about him making a list of reads while her own list was way out-of-date and very incomplete itself. She took it as me relating her and Coffee together which in hindsight after she flipped Criminal looks like conf-bias showing through

(I promise the sudden rob-spam is about to slow down)

[rob77dp]

Town
Coffee
UTA
Solaris

Possibly Town
gino
fabian
DC
ian
ddevans

No Read
JCJ
dawn
Submachine
mathman
kdz

Possible Scum
rob

First, not in a million years would I have pushed this through on Luna if I was Criminal. I've been holding off on being comfortable with any town-reads of me but if you really want to stop your tinfoil this would be the time.

I think it is unlikely that the last 2 Criminals are grouped together anywhere in here.

This would mean I think that at most:

* 1 of JCJ/dawn/Submachine/mathman/kdz
* 1 of gino/fabian/DC/ian/ddevans
* 1 of Coffee/UTA/Solaris

I notice that with 2 Criminals left if the premise of them both not being together is true then it also means that only one of these groups is 100% Criminal-less. My future scum-reads and list of reads should reflect this and if they don't it's a mistake and call it out. Thanks.

[ddevans96]

Though I see DC is next in line, at this point. Started by dd, so that's something. Would like some reasoning on why DC over Luna. Imo, we should lynch Luna and ask the (theoretical) second hitman to assassinate DC on N3. Would confirm either no second hitman or scum hitman if DC doesn't get killed (though only theoretically b/c it could be an inactive/non-complicit town/Intel).

Justified my DC vote when I made it. Also, there's maybe a 1% chance I'm not town, so many improbable things would have had to happen for that to be the case. While it's not hard confirmation, I don't know why there's any suspicion being put on me.

Additionally, I'd appreciate my response to my request that I be targeted and not rob, as I don't see one.

Hmmm, how is @ddevans96 not around for this EOD? I don't recall him leaving a doctor's note (figure of speech only) that he would be missing it. This is frequently his online time of day too...

Dinner with friends.

[ddevans96]

Although at this point rob looks very very likely town so I don't have any issue with that either, just to clarify.

[godisnowonline]

Hi this is time to make a call back to all of my dancing and waving at you and uta.

First off, I refuse to claim responsibility for the ability use on Fabian because it wasn't me. I attempted to bread crumb for you and uta by calling attention to utas lost voting power.

I am going to go back for the posts but the posts where i talk about sentencing are the ones where i was trying to draw your attention. I'm telling you this because i believe that without colossal misplay town is on track for a win and we can figure out who is the best target for jailor 2.