Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou

[UTAlan]

Rob, I could be wrong but it sounds like gino targeted me last night with something? Like he wanted to breadcrumb what he hit me with but it failed because of my ability.

[godisnowonline]

that's exactly it uta. I've been waving around dancing trying to get your attention but now i know i was wasting my time trying to.

[mathman101]

Since it is fairly close to end of the day phase, and most likely I am to be killed off I'm gonna apologize for acting like a village idiot.

I did not know Link had claimed cop, and may have acted more out of emotional anger/rage at continually being called scum instead of town, instead of shooting with a logical scum reads. I was the assassin who shot Link.

Sorry I have been really inactive and not a good towny player, I thought I could handle mafia again hoping I could manage about 100 posts per day or night phase but this is much more than I can read and acknowledge per phase.

All I have left is my Ability 2, and my unfortunate but poor activity levels, so kill me off and hopefully mafia loses and we win!

[UTAlan]

Since it is fairly close to end of the day phase, and most likely I am to be killed off I'm gonna apologize for acting like a village idiot.

I did not know Link had claimed cop, and may have acted more out of emotional anger/rage at continually being called scum instead of town, instead of shooting with a logical scum reads. I was the assassin who shot Link.

Sorry I have been really inactive and not a good towny player, I thought I could handle mafia again hoping I could manage about 100 posts per day or night phase but this is much more than I can read and acknowledge per phase.

All I have left is my Ability 2, and my unfortunate but poor activity levels, so kill me off and hopefully mafia loses and we win!

I'd love rob's take on this. Does it change your read on him?

[godisnowonline]

He's repeatedly said he wasn't very into this mafia. This feels like a grateful towny bowing out of the game because he can't keep up more than a sarcastic scum trying to hide it.

[killsdazombies]

Imo the real hitman should stand up right now, since we more or less confirmed the hitman wouldn't be mafia (if not just through logic alone). If not, we should assume mathmans thing is legit or something. I dont thikn I have the willpower to delay the game again while we figure this shet out

[Solaris]

WILL THE REAL SLIM SHADY PLEASE STAND UP

I agree.

[rob77dp]

Since it is fairly close to end of the day phase, and most likely I am to be killed off I'm gonna apologize for acting like a village idiot.

I did not know Link had claimed cop, and may have acted more out of emotional anger/rage at continually being called scum instead of town, instead of shooting with a logical scum reads. I was the assassin who shot Link.

Sorry I have been really inactive and not a good towny player, I thought I could handle mafia again hoping I could manage about 100 posts per day or night phase but this is much more than I can read and acknowledge per phase.

All I have left is my Ability 2, and my unfortunate but poor activity levels, so kill me off and hopefully mafia loses and we win!

I'd love rob's take on this. Does it change your read on him?

I'd love YOUR read on it, UTA... you're MUCH more confirmed than myself given you have that awesome Espi N1 kill to your 99.9% credit.

It looks like mathman is claiming:
* To be Hitman.
* Used ability 1 snipe on Link previous night phase.
* KILLED the town Cop.
* Been afk nearly the entire game having a total of 13 posts at time of this writing.
* Has resigned to a fate of being lynched today.
* Offers no additional solving or town-benefit input.

My take:
~ Appeal To Emotion (ATE) is a common scum/Criminal thing to do when under the gun because pretending to solve or be 'town useful' risks spewing their teammates (that is, giving away who is teamed with them or who isn't).
~ mathman has not offered any attempt to solve or help town in this post... hence, ATE.
~ Given the current size of the wagon on math I suspect at least one Criminal, regardless of math's alignment, is in the group.
~ Shooting the town Cop who CLAIMED is _really_ bad play given the situation. Bad enough that he is claiming to be town AND HAVE SHOT THE SAME TARGET AS the Criminals did i.e. aligned his Night Action with that of the faction whose win-con is eliminating town.

--> If math is really Hitman and really did shoot Link last night then if I ponder for a bit more I think my current gut of math=town may be right.

[UTAlan]

Right, so let's pull up a hypothetical scenario.

Entirely possible for mathman to be scum and claiming town here, but for the sake of argument let's say we take him at his word and suppose he's (Town|Intel)!Hitman. We don't want to lynch him if this is true. But we need to lynch someone. Who then?

- First, I'd consider Lunaris, as she was also on Link's scum list and has been scum-read by multiple players this game.

- Under-the-radar scum could be an inactive. Lynching one of them would have a worst case of getting a non-helpful town.

- Greatest amount we can learn from a lynch wouldn't be bad, either. Not sure who this would be, though.

Everyone/anyone can answer.

(Especially mathman, though. Would love to hear who he thinks would make a better lynch target today.)

[rob77dp]

TL;DR - If math is Hitman he is 95% likely NOT Criminal.

I concur with other in-thread sentiment for the real Hitman to claim. That is, if you shot Link and NOT mathman claim now (a Hitman that did NOT shoot last night need not claim here).

[rob77dp]

Additionally, _mathman_ if you are town then give us just an hour or two of your time to help town out. Really-town-math able to do that is going to advance town win-con by miles and miles.

[rob77dp]

Right, so let's pull up a hypothetical scenario.

Entirely possible for mathman to be scum and claiming town here, but for the sake of argument let's say we take him at his word and suppose he's (Town|Intel)!Hitman. We don't want to lynch him if this is true. But we need to lynch someone. Who then?

- First, I'd consider Lunaris, as she was also on Link's scum list and has been scum-read by multiple players this game.

- Under-the-radar scum could be an inactive. Lynching one of them would have a worst case of getting a non-helpful town.

- Greatest amount we can learn from a lynch wouldn't be bad, either. Not sure who this would be, though.

Everyone/anyone can answer.

(Especially mathman, though. Would love to hear who he thinks would make a better lynch target today.)

Hypothetically, if I end up convinced or somewhat sure mathman is town then I would be agreeable to alternate lynch of Luna as next top suspect since we're somewhat moving ahead not lynching possibly-scum-but-also-BG-Coffee.