Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou

[Submachine]

What you're pointing out about DC's play is what I am lightly/slightly town-reading about him so far.

That's alright. I'll still keep an eye out on him, because Espi was protecting him early on. I don't recall Espi protecting too many people in this game, so it might be a clue.

[iancudorinmarian]

I really don't know what to believe anymore, but I assume I can safely follow what Link wanted.

Coffeeditto (5) - rob77dp, Submachine, JonathanCrazyJ, Solaris, iancudorinmarian
Submachine (1) -  Lunaris

I'm still going to lynch Sub at some point though. Maybe Lunaris as well, but she looks more and more like town.

[rob77dp]

I really don't know what to believe anymore, but I assume I can safely follow what Link wanted.

Coffeeditto (5) - rob77dp, Submachine, JonathanCrazyJ, Solaris, iancudorinmarian
Submachine (1) -  Lunaris

I'm still going to lynch Sub at some point though. Maybe Lunaris as well, but she looks more and more like town.

Please go further into how you've developed your town-read on Luna. I'm interested to see your view/take/opinion and how you arrived there.

Also, please confirm or correct my presumption that you are saying your scum-read on Coffee is based on 'follow what Link wanted'. Thanks.

[UTAlan]

I still have a slight scum read on Coffee. The reason I put "Unsure" on my N2 reads for him is mostly b/c he has bodyguard role and it might be worth keeping him around for the time being. Either he proves himself useful, gets NK'd, or we can lynch him later. Based on Link's read list and my suspicions, I'm okay with a Luna or Math lynch.

*sigh*

So far this has been completely ignored. Please don't blindly follow Linkcat just because he flipped town. Is the above logic not sound? We've already lost 2 cops, I am not particularly interested in lynching a protective role, too. (At least not yet.)

[iancudorinmarian]

Okay, I missed that, UTA. How do we know he's a protective role though? Did he claim or is there some other evidence?

Coffeeditto (4) - rob77dp, Submachine, JonathanCrazyJ, Solaris
Submachine (1) -  Lunaris

Removing my vote for now.

[iancudorinmarian]

I really don't know what to believe anymore, but I assume I can safely follow what Link wanted.

Coffeeditto (5) - rob77dp, Submachine, JonathanCrazyJ, Solaris, iancudorinmarian
Submachine (1) -  Lunaris

I'm still going to lynch Sub at some point though. Maybe Lunaris as well, but she looks more and more like town.

Please go further into how you've developed your town-read on Luna. I'm interested to see your view/take/opinion and how you arrived there.

Also, please confirm or correct my presumption that you are saying your scum-read on Coffee is based on 'follow what Link wanted'. Thanks.

I don't know, Lunaris seems like she is actually playing the newb-town instead of newb-scum to me.

Your latter statement is correct. Confirmed.

[UTAlan]

Okay, I missed that, UTA. How do we know he's a protective role though? Did he claim or is there some other evidence?

Working so I can't go find the post, but at the beginning of D1 he claimed to have used an ability called "headlock" on rob, which rob confirmed.

[rob77dp]

Okay, I missed that, UTA. How do we know he's a protective role though? Did he claim or is there some other evidence?

Working so I can't go find the post, but at the beginning of D1 he claimed to have used an ability called "headlock" on rob, which rob confirmed.

I was BG#1'd on night 1 (the first night, right after the Day 0) and Coffee claims having done it.

I could easily go for lynching any of these scummy players:
* Coffee
* mathman
* Luna

UTA - plenty of fish in the sea/ocean to feast on there if you wanted to.

[UTAlan]

I just think keeping a scummy bodyguard around is preferable at this point. Again, we can always lynch him later if he doesn't clear himself, or he might get NK'd before we get to lynch him. If there are plenty of scummy targets for lynch, let's save the one that claimed bodyguard for another day.

[rob77dp]

I still have a slight scum read on Coffee. The reason I put "Unsure" on my N2 reads for him is mostly b/c he has bodyguard role and it might be worth keeping him around for the time being. Either he proves himself useful, gets NK'd, or we can lynch him later. Based on Link's read list and my suspicions, I'm okay with a Luna or Math lynch.

*sigh*

So far this has been completely ignored. Please don't blindly follow Linkcat just because he flipped town. Is the above logic not sound? We've already lost 2 cops, I am not particularly interested in lynching a protective role, too. (At least not yet.)

I had a scum-lean on Coffee before Link posted his dying wishes list. Therefore, I am voting a scum-lean that ALSO overlaps with the dead Cops' wishes and scum-reads. ... Also note that so far Coffee has BG'd me night 1(NAI) and started out this day phase (day 3) with awkward claim about his ability #2 having reflected a kill-shot back onto Link.

[rob77dp]

If I had a 2nd vote to cast then I would start a train on mathman101 right now. Since I do not have a 2nd vote I'd like to ask any other townies not town-reading mathman strongly to drop some votes on mathman. Please thanks.

[UTAlan]

I had a scum-lean on Coffee before Link posted his dying wishes list. Therefore, I am voting a scum-lean that ALSO overlaps with the dead Cops' wishes and scum-reads. ... Also note that so far Coffee has BG'd me night 1(NAI) and started out this day phase (day 3) with awkward claim about his ability #2 having reflected a kill-shot back onto Link.

I guess we just disagree on this. If Coffee was our only lead, then by all means I'd be all for lynching him. Given that we have multiple scummy players who can be lynched, I'd rather prioritize those that haven't claimed a protector role. Let's investigate Coffee (if we have any investigators left) or give him the chance to protect the NK target to (nearly) clear himself. If that doesn't happen and we run out of better lynch targets, then I'll gladly lynch him.

Keep in mind I believe I was the first one to suspect Coffee as being scummy, given that I voted him D0.

Also, dead-cop appears to have targeted dd on N1, so his wishes are just based on reads, not on abilities. Doesn't mean we ignore them, but careful wording it in a way that makes it sound more authoritative than it is.