Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou

[UTAlan]

I still have a slight scum read on Coffee. The reason I put "Unsure" on my N2 reads for him is mostly b/c he has bodyguard role and it might be worth keeping him around for the time being. Either he proves himself useful, gets NK'd, or we can lynch him later. Based on Link's read list and my suspicions, I'm okay with a Luna or Math lynch.

Oops, forgot to mention at the beginning that I don't think we should lynch him today.

[rob77dp]

christ, they're valid and you know it. I'm not pulling alternative facts, and my lynch vote stays on you until you're 6 ft under.

beyond that, I'm saying that the whole bit with ian is unlikely, I think you're scum regardless of it

Put it in perscpective and answer me how you would react if i would get killed by you because of this and I still flipped Town. Would you still have no regrets?

yes

Then we have nothing to argue about. I hope the next person knows better.

Sol buddy - that isn't a town-perspective to have... that no matter what develops you will not reconsider at all for any reason whether Sub is Criminal or not. Most players I would end up having that squarely in "probably town" range though because skilled scum/wolf/evil-faction players would KNOW others will read it wolfy to be like that and hence scum usually avoid that stance, publicly.

However, *sigh* I do recall this being somewhat your style previously as scum -- want to find some time later to go look into it though...

(You should really reconsider your stance of refusing to ever reconsider and think about Sub's alignment down the road.)

[rob77dp]

I can see a world where Criminal NK _and_ (possible)Criminal Hitman both target Link last night _if_ they know or are presuming that protective roles are "single layer". That is, if protective roles stop, redirect, or prevent the FIRST kill-targeting but allow through the second kill-targeting then perhaps Criminals did double-kill Link.

Also, kind of odd that there are only a small handful of votes so far this day phase... I'm not sure what the hold-up is on voting.

[iancudorinmarian]

Voting Sub, for now, at least (mobile, pls help vote)

[rob77dp]

Coffeeditto (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (2) - Solaris, iancudorinmarian
Solaris (1) - Submachine

Vote added for mobile!iancu onto Sub.

ian - what has prompted this vote from you? (Why do I feel like we're having to _ask_ players to put reasons or something alongside votes? It should be SOP at this stage in the game to not simply naked-vote... !!!)

//unrelated-note: I'm having trouble coming to grips with scumreading mathman right now... I think there are several things pointing to his possibly being Criminal but such precious little content so far that is hard to get any confidence in the read. Anyone else tried to look into mathman yet?

[Submachine]

Coffeeditto (2) - rob77dp, Submachine
Submachine (2) - Solaris, iancudorinmarian

The last time I favored opinion over survival didn't end well for me, so I'm evening out the odds.

Now I know that people will start bandwagoning on one stack or another, and that might actually be giving clues if Coffee eventually flips mafia. So, @rob: Keep track of who puts their votes on which pile from now on, because people on my stack will look very scummy if I get the majority vote.

[JonathanCrazyJ]

Coffeeditto (2) - rob77dp, Submachine
Submachine (2) - Solaris, iancudorinmarian

The last time I favored opinion over survival didn't end well for me, so I'm evening out the odds.

Now I know that people will start bandwagoning on one stack or another, and that might actually be giving clues if Coffee eventually flips mafia. So, @rob: Keep track of who puts their votes on which pile from now on, because people on my stack will look very scummy if I get the majority vote.

Um, that's what every vote does.
People on coffee's pile will look scummy if you end up flipping mafia too lol, that's just a nothing statement.

I don't quite see the suspicion on Coffee, but I do think there is merit in starting with Link's most wanted immediately after his death.

Coffeeditto (3) - rob77dp, Submachine, JonathanCrazyJ
Submachine (2) - Solaris, iancudorinmarian

Once again, I ask, has anyone else been targeted with "Rescue" so far this game?

[Solaris]

Coffeeditto (2) - rob77dp, Submachine
Submachine (2) - Solaris, iancudorinmarian

The last time I favored opinion over survival didn't end well for me, so I'm evening out the odds.

Now I know that people will start bandwagoning on one stack or another, and that might actually be giving clues if Coffee eventually flips mafia. So, @rob: Keep track of who puts their votes on which pile from now on, because people on my stack will look very scummy if I get the majority vote.

Um, that's what every vote does.
People on coffee's pile will look scummy if you end up flipping mafia too lol, that's just a nothing statement.

I don't quite see the suspicion on Coffee, but I do think there is merit in starting with Link's most wanted immediately after his death.

Coffeeditto (3) - rob77dp, Submachine, JonathanCrazyJ
Submachine (2) - Solaris, iancudorinmarian

Once again, I ask, has anyone else been targeted with "Rescue" so far this game?

not me, but I've a similar situation, except it's named "Monitor". I'm assuming it's either Politician 2, or Observer. Anyone confirm/deny? If anyone else has been hit by it, likely Observer. If not, likely Pol 2.

[Lunaris]

Coffeeditto (3) - rob77dp, Submachine, JonathanCrazyJ
Submachine (3) - Solaris, iancudorinmarian, Lunaris

Whether Linkcat wanted him dead or not, I don't see Coffee as scum. Just because a confirmed townie wanted a player dead, that doesn't make that player mafia.

[rob77dp]

Coffeeditto (2) - rob77dp, Submachine
Submachine (2) - Solaris, iancudorinmarian

The last time I favored opinion over survival didn't end well for me, so I'm evening out the odds.

Now I know that people will start bandwagoning on one stack or another, and that might actually be giving clues if Coffee eventually flips mafia. So, @rob: Keep track of who puts their votes on which pile from now on, because people on my stack will look very scummy if I get the majority vote.

Source please.

Sub, you know I'm not losing track of things don't you? I mean, I'm fallible and human and not very good at this game but you're reminding to do one of the things I use to most strongly lobby against No Lynch.

[JonathanCrazyJ]

Coffeeditto (3) - rob77dp, Submachine, JonathanCrazyJ
Submachine (3) - Solaris, iancudorinmarian, Lunaris

Whether Linkcat wanted him dead or not, I don't see Coffee as scum. Just because a confirmed townie wanted a player dead, that doesn't make that player mafia.

This is interesting, because link also wanted you dead

[rob77dp]

Coffeeditto (2) - rob77dp, Submachine
Submachine (2) - Solaris, iancudorinmarian

The last time I favored opinion over survival didn't end well for me, so I'm evening out the odds.

Now I know that people will start bandwagoning on one stack or another, and that might actually be giving clues if Coffee eventually flips mafia. So, @rob: Keep track of who puts their votes on which pile from now on, because people on my stack will look very scummy if I get the majority vote.

Um, that's what every vote does.
People on coffee's pile will look scummy if you end up flipping mafia too lol, that's just a nothing statement.

I don't quite see the suspicion on Coffee, but I do think there is merit in starting with Link's most wanted immediately after his death.

Coffeeditto (3) - rob77dp, Submachine, JonathanCrazyJ
Submachine (2) - Solaris, iancudorinmarian

Once again, I ask, has anyone else been targeted with "Rescue" so far this game?

Light blue -- I pushed onto Coffee before any idea of Sub being the counter... therefore I refute your assertion I would look scummy if Sub ever flips and is Criminal.

Beige -- This feels just as role-hunty as the last time you asked. I don't think this question should be answered right now... can you safely provide supporting reasons or logic behind your asking it?

Also, I'll be frank on the fact that I'm highly likely to be very suspicious of any claim you're making of having been doctored last night. I see nothing in-thread indicating you would be a likely NK or Hitman target during the night so not sure why you would expect to have been doctored nor why a doctor in the game would be trying to "Rescue" you. That is, right now it comes across as you trying to hunt down or dig up who might have important protective roles.