Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou

[Solaris]

good thing I said IIRC! because I didn't!

[rob77dp]

Hmmmm, why is mathman here:

I really didn't want to add in a vote with the tables as close as they are, but I don't get the scum vibe off of coffee yet and can't justify looking the other way(not voting) and allow him to be lynched.
If we can't get anything good out of him tonight I think we put him back on the chopping block for tomorrow.


worldwideweb (2) - rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Solaris (5) -  JonathanCrazyJ, Coffeeditto, worldwideweb3, Lunaris, mathman101
DoubleCapitals (1) - Submachine
Coffeeditto (5) - Linkcat, Solaris, UTAlan, ddevans96, gino



Sorry Sola, TO fist-bumps

coming in with a White Knight-ish vote onto Sol (attempting to save Coffee) when earlier he was not willing to White Knight vote on me (rob) despite town-reading me at the time against similar other options?

I have read a few more pages than last time, but still fairly far behind. of the 4 currently being voted on here are my thoughts:

www3 - slightly leaning scum but not very far off the neutral line. he seems to be semi-outspoken on the few posts i've read, but it doesn't look like it would hurt to give more info in a few of the responses to questions/accusations on him.

Sola - feels mostly neutral(maybe an ever so slight scum lean). he swings between anger and defense at the start of day with the first few votes, but slowly brings back a level head to discuss looking at others and avoid the lynch on himself.

Rob - hard to tell here, he has many posts and I've barely read any of them. But he feels mainly neutral with maybe a slight town lean, but I wouldn't ignore the chance he is INTEL.

DC - Don't remember seeing any of his posts even in this thread (is that a bad sign that i need to read more?), so stabbing the dark with this guess and saying neutral only on the basis I have nothing to go off of.

Not sure where to put my votes for today, but I'm thinking either w3 or Sola (leaning w3). I should be back before deadline though to vote on one if no new info can sway my decision.

[rob77dp]

math -

I see you've been at least checking on this thread... any chance in the next 20 minutes you can come in to respond?

Namely, why did you comment on the top-four wagons at one point towards-ish EOD 1 without voting to save your town-read (me) among the bunch of wagons _but then_ later closer to EOD 1 you pop in to vote Sol and www3 (flipped Intel) to save a not-yet-publicly-read-by-you Coffee??

[Solaris]

Piggybacking off rob, you said you were leaning towards voting w3, but ended up chucking your vote on me. What's the reasoning for this?

@Rob: Might read back in thread and read math x coffee interactions if I'm still on this mortal plane after phas

[Solaris]

Any chance of an updated reads list after EoD, btw, rob?

[rob77dp]

Any chance of an updated reads list after EoD, btw, rob?

Any chance you'd share why you're asking?

[rob77dp]

but aside from that, happy to help, robbarito, give me the down-low

Use your ability 1 to redirect from me onto UTA, please. Or, reply with feedback on my plan, eh.

yeah thats what I was thinking, unsure on target but I'll make sure it's someone not too deep onto your core

Sol... we need to revise this plan.

Will you be willing to redirect from me onto mathman?

[Solaris]

Any chance of an updated reads list after EoD, btw, rob?

Any chance you'd share why you're asking?

STOP DEFLECTING

Been a minute since I've seen one from you. I like to use other people's read lists to bring up new points on X individual and counterpoints that they may have, for example, on townreading Y when I scumread Y

[Solaris]

but aside from that, happy to help, robbarito, give me the down-low

Use your ability 1 to redirect from me onto UTA, please. Or, reply with feedback on my plan, eh.

yeah thats what I was thinking, unsure on target but I'll make sure it's someone not too deep onto your core

Sol... we need to revise this plan.

Will you be willing to redirect from me onto mathman?

yes

[rob77dp]

Any chance of an updated reads list after EoD, btw, rob?

Any chance you'd share why you're asking?

STOP DEFLECTING

Been a minute since I've seen one from you. I like to use other people's read lists to bring up new points on X individual and counterpoints that they may have, for example, on townreading Y when I scumread Y

I have tinfoil that if you're Criminal you want to know how close I am to the team and worthy of pressing risk of NK-targeting me or not... anyways:

Any chance of an updated reads list after EoD, btw, rob?

town-reads:
UTA

lesser town-reads:
ian
Sub
JCJ
DC
Sol
Fabian

neutral (sadly not yet free of neutral/null reads):
godisnowonline / killsdazombies

smaller scum-leans:
dawn
Luna
Coffee
dd

scum-reads:
mathman
Link

Truthfully, depending on which read-through of the EOD 1 / Night 1 I could somewhat fluidly merge/adjust those lower two categories...

Link - if he is doing his scummy-but-town angle then I'd expect he was Cop -- www3 flipped already as the cop so my scum-read is less tempered by that suspicion.

mathman - whew boy, that EOD 1 is not very nice but it does hinge a bit on Sol's alignment from my POV... which I'm not sure about.

dd - a whole lot of mechanics and surface interrogation but hasn't really PUSHED anything yet -- timer is about to hit his self-proclaimed D2-sweetspot though so...

Coffee - my read of mathman affects this somewhat heavily. I could see him having Criminal _or_ town motive to target me last night phase.

Luna - unsure if this is just her way of playing or if it is a scumtell because so far lines up somewhat well with past meta in her scum-games.

dawn - easily the weakest of my reads in that group... very near to just falling back into null/neutral but the way he came out of the gate posting a lot (for him considering it was Day 0) and then the drop-off is giving me scum-vibes for him... need more d2d content and posting!

[rob77dp]

Note: that list is a bit rushed in the 'reasoning' lower portion due to time constraints but the list reflects my current stance on the game.

[Solaris]

Swap dd and Sub, move DC and Fab to Neutral, and I definitely agree with that list. How come you have slight town leans on DC and fab? They don't have much content, to my remembrance