Spoiler for wallpost for several Sub inquiries a little while back:
I've been unable to find any unique ways of using the roles in the OP for Criminals to round-about kill UTA in the night without it triggering the Refugee defense mechanism that almost-surely killed Espithel last night phase. I imagine Espi was simply giving his death-post no real thought or insight but it is possible just that Criminals discussed not going after UTA.
Good spots. I'm on record as scumreading Coffee slightly but this strengths it. - Sub, since you don't want to lynch the other three, what do you think about Coffee?
I would have been helping with this if I was awake. I had minor suspicions about him yesterday. [1]
Now that the kill happened though, I need to ask this again:
Strong disagreement. We do not want a second day of No Lynch. We get a large amount of information from all three of these primary lynch targets.
Just in advance, I want to ask something which I can reflect back upon after someone got lynched.
- What information do we learn by the lynch if we lynch a Town member?
- What information do we learn by the lynch if we lynch an Intel member?
...because from past experience, we learned absolutely nothing when the lynched person was Town even though a lot of people were like "Oh, we'll have a lot of information if we do this!". We usually only learn by killing a mafia member, or when there is a "1 out of 2 people must be evil" case.
So what did we learn? Because I learned nothing while losing someone who could have been useful later. [2]
Time to sleep. Analysis coming tomorrow. Also, bodyguard(s) should protect someone else. I'll be safe from NK tonight.
I volunteer for tribute. (if i'm being townread by most people, i would be a safe target for NK, especially because normally i wouldn't be targeted by protection, because i have less valuable inputs) [3]
1. Elaborate on your minor suspicions? Also, any reason behind you replying to dd's question despite that phase already being over with no possible lynch-impact coming from your reply?
2. Probably a lot was learned or could be learned... some of it will not be apparent until a few more day/night phases go by but here is an example:
- I would wager a somewhat high amount of internet-buck$ that the first four votes on www3 are not Intel... or at least did not Search www3 N1.
- if Sol flips and is Criminal, math looks scummy for how easily he took off his pile-on vote (bus cred?) from Sol to not-Criminal www3.
- etc.
3. What are you even getting at there??
Strong disagreement. We do not want a second day of No Lynch. We get a large amount of information from all three of these primary lynch targets.
Just in advance, I want to ask something which I can reflect back upon after someone got lynched.
- What information do we learn by the lynch if we lynch a Town member?
- What information do we learn by the lynch if we lynch an Intel member?
...because from past experience, we learned absolutely nothing when the lynched person was Town even though a lot of people were like "Oh, we'll have a lot of information if we do this!". We usually only learn by killing a mafia member, or when there is a "1 out of 2 people must be evil" case.
You have to be willing to review HOW final vote tallies ended where they ended and HOW interactions did or did _not_ take place during the day phase if townies are mislynched. Same as when a Criminal is lynched except you have to dig just a little deeper and not aim for sitting back relying on roles to do all the lifting.
About the Coffee suspicion I mentioned in that post, I remembered thinking about less notable people who piled votes on me during Day 0. I remembered Coffee and kdz and started suspecting them both. Iirc, I thought they were jumping on the opportunity (then also jumped down just as suddenly), but now I only have faints memories and a bit more baseless suspicions. The problem is that I don't remember if I thought that before or after reading Linkcat's post about a similar topic. If it was after, then I might have been affected by Link's reasoning.
At my response to UTA, I was trying to get Doctor protection.
pipe down with the personal insults
playing this game, ughh... I'm having a hard time to get myself understood, so I'm spelling it out. I'm not good at townreading and scumreading anymore, so I'm not putting much effort in it. To your questions about my reads, those were my most legit answers I could provide, because of my negligence. You jumped to illogical conclusions and it ticked me off