Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou

[Coffeeditto]

Sol is town, calling it now. Who wants to help me kill Coffee?

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[killsdazombies]

worldwideweb (3) - rob77dp, iancudorinmarian, UTAlan
Solaris (3) -  JonathanCrazyJ, Coffeeditto, worldwideweb3
rob77dp (3) - Solaris,  Lunaris, ddevans96
DoubleCapitals (1) - Submachine

Im second guessing myself here a bit too much, eod is in 5 hours and i'll pick someone else before then I'm just not sure that Solaris is mafia any more.

[Submachine]

worldwideweb (3) - rob77dp, iancudorinmarian, UTAlan
Solaris (3) - JonathanCrazyJ, Coffeeditto, worldwideweb3
rob77dp (3) - Solaris,  Lunaris, ddevans96
DoubleCapitals (1) - Submachine

Also, what is this mess? The current vote targets are:

- rob: probably the most active force in the game, which if is on our side it would be a shame to scrap, and if it's not, he'll slip eventually if he keeps this up; It would be more reasonable to focus on him later.
- Sol: claimed Observer (iirc), which could be forced into a lot of useful scenarios even if he was not town, but he probably isn't mafia anyway (maybe intel).
- www: (i should probably read his posts before saying anything here >_>)
- and then DC, which tally won't have any support until EoD, but it's there.

I don't see ourselves finding a mafia just yet, so I'm leaning back to No_Lynch again or at least decreasing the potential loss (thus the DC vote).

[Solaris]

if people want to be obtuse and ignore the claim i've made then i have no justification left

You should beg for your life like I did. I guess it worked out well for me? >_>

nope, i've done all i care to do

[worldwideweb3]

If link can expand on his coffee scum read...

[ddevans96]

- Sol: claimed Observer (iirc), which could be forced into a lot of useful scenarios even if he was not town, but he probably isn't mafia anyway (maybe intel).

Politician.

I don't see ourselves finding a mafia just yet, so I'm leaning back to No_Lynch again or at least decreasing the potential loss (thus the DC vote).

Strong disagreement. We do not want a second day of No Lynch. We get a large amount of information from all three of these primary lynch targets.

nope, i've done all i care to do

Alright, well, can't say I didn't try. Set up the ropes, then.

worldwideweb (3) - rob77dp, iancudorinmarian, UTAlan
Solaris (4) - JonathanCrazyJ, Coffeeditto, worldwideweb3, ddevans96
rob77dp (2) - Solaris, Lunaris
DoubleCapitals (1) - Submachine

If link can expand on his coffee scum read...

I also want this.

[Submachine]

Strong disagreement. We do not want a second day of No Lynch. We get a large amount of information from all three of these primary lynch targets.

Just in advance, I want to ask something which I can reflect back upon after someone got lynched.

- What information do we learn by the lynch if we lynch a Town member?

- What information do we learn by the lynch if we lynch an Intel member?

...because from past experience, we learned absolutely nothing when the lynched person was Town even though a lot of people were like "Oh, we'll have a lot of information if we do this!". We usually only learn by killing a mafia member, or when there is a "1 out of 2 people must be evil" case.

[Coffeeditto]

Lynching a town means whoever was working against that person is a little scummier. Intel? Well, not sure?

[ddevans96]

Lynching a town means whoever was working against that person is a little scummier.

In general, this is often true.

More precisely, when we lynch someone, we want to look at the interactions others had with them, whether that be discussion or votes. People they've had more positive interactions with are slightly more likely to be the same faction and negative interactions mean slightly more likely to be opposing. Because of the complexity of mafia, this isn't enough by itself, but it does give a small amount of direction we can build upon later.

[Linkcat]

I'm rereading the thread and anyone who's voting on Sol for Espi's interactions with him has not read the Day 0 votes. Espi removed his vote on Sub to bring him back down to a tie with Sol.

Look at this vote: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-68-by-kuroaitou/msg1258704/#msg1258704

Pushes the second mislynch above the rest. It was inevitable at this point that Sol and Sub were both going to gain more votes.

Look at this vote: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-68-by-kuroaitou/msg1259584/#msg1259584

Voting on someone for being defensive? That's exactly what you're supposed to do when you're being attacked. The level of defensiveness is based on the player and the attack, not alignment. Also Sol is town and he just pushed him into the lead, so both the vote and the reasoning are terrible.

Both of these votes have weak reasoning and are just to push up vote counts.

At this point I would also be okay with lynching DC or JCJ. This may change after I read the lost 20 pages.

worldwideweb (3) - rob77dp, iancudorinmarian, UTAlan
Solaris (3) -  JonathanCrazyJ, Coffeeditto, worldwideweb3
rob77dp (3) - Solaris,  Lunaris, ddevans96
DoubleCapitals (1) - Submachine
Coffeeditto (1) - Linkcat

[Coffeeditto]

Also Sol is town and he just pushed him into the lead, so both the vote and the reasoning are terrible.
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At this point I would also be okay with lynching DC or JCJ. This may change after I read the lost 20 pages.

How do you know Sol is town? How do you know if you haven't read the last 20 pages?

and

Why DC and/or JCJ?

[worldwideweb3]

JCJ has basically gone afk this phase, so i can understand that.