Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou

[killsdazombies]

Summary:
There is a lot about your reads that feels forces, faked, or simply flat considering the overall nature and content of the post. It is not concrete or a lean/read yet but I get a scum feeling about it. I'll be monitoring if you're able to manage some more posts this Day phase (sure hope you do...) that ring differently than what I see here.

As I said early on in the game, I'm absolutely awful at postreading and figuring out who's who based on the way they play the game.

Yeah it's a bit unfair, to demand a read list from you and then say it feels forced. Of course it feels forced. I don't think it's very fair of rob to throw shade for doing exactly as he requested. Idk, rob has felt scummy this game for me, it seems like he's throwing shade very aggresively, I'm weary of him atm. Not enough to put him above Solaris and www3, but should they flip town it's only additional scum on him.

You twisting it a lot here, kdz. I'm not sure if you're just mis-reading-it-town or twisting-it-scum but you've definitely incorrectly interpreted what I'm doing.

I simply took Luna's read list and provided feedback, analysis, and my read of her from it. That's part of playing the game.

It feels to me, like you told luna to make a read list, regardless of what she has to say, then when she posted you counted it as scum against her because it was forced, when you just forced it. You know I take offense to a lot of the meta play in mafia, so I'm willing to admit I'm more sensative on things like this.

Tldr it seems like you forced her to make something she didn't feel super comfortable with. And then when it seemed uncomfortabke, you scum read her for it

It resulted in the lightest of scum-reads that I'm likely to ever give out. You taking offense at it is probably just like you said - hitting or near a sensitivity you have on what you think I was doing.

Can you expand at all - despite being on mobile - as to what your scum-read of me is beyond simply being "wary" (weary) of me? (That Freudian slip is strong there kdz!)

I mighy have read the degree of your scum read more strongly than it was intended, and it's difficult to quote well on this phone (it's honestly got a terrible interface) but they were slight anyway, and really magnified by the Lunaris thing.

And no rob this phone just has an awful autocorrect system and logic

[rob77dp]

Ok, so correct me if I'm wrong, but these are the votes at the end of the day:

dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
Solaris (2) - Solaris, JonathanCrazyJ
Linkcat (1) - rob77dp
No Lynch (4) - Linkcat, worldwideweb3, Lunaris, Submachine
Coffeeditto (1) - UTAlanp

Even if Espithel did vote on Sub at some point, that doesn't really prove anything. I'd like if someone could scavenge the moment he did though, might change my mind.

Two people in the last 18 hours have already done exactly that. Are you really reading this? YOu've said you're reading it but it doesn't feel like you are (it would be OK to admit you're not -- it is a fast moving game for Elements typical slow pace of mafia games)....

[worldwideweb3]

Ok, so correct me if I'm wrong, but these are the votes at the end of the day:

dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
Solaris (2) - Solaris, JonathanCrazyJ
Linkcat (1) - rob77dp
No Lynch (4) - Linkcat, worldwideweb3, Lunaris, Submachine
Coffeeditto (1) - UTAlanp

Even if Espithel did vote on Sub at some point, that doesn't really prove anything. I'd like if someone could scavenge the moment he did though, might change my mind.

espithel voted sub at 4-4 between sol and sub

[rob77dp]

ian - with 2.5 hours left in Day 0 Espithel voted Sub when it was 4-4 with Sub and Sol tied in the vote lead.

I'm going to look up when he then REMOVED his Sub vote and make sure it doesn't smack of scum-getting-off-their-bro.

Ok, so correct me if I'm wrong, but these are the votes at the end of the day:

dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
Solaris (2) - Solaris, JonathanCrazyJ
Linkcat (1) - rob77dp
No Lynch (4) - Linkcat, worldwideweb3, Lunaris, Submachine
Coffeeditto (1) - UTAlanp

Even if Espithel did vote on Sub at some point, that doesn't really prove anything. I'd like if someone could scavenge the moment he did though, might change my mind.

espithel voted sub at 4-4 between sol and sub

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dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
Solaris (4) - Solaris, Submachine, rob77dp, worldwideweb3
ddevans96 (1) - fabian771
Submachine (5) - DoubleCapitals, Killsdazombies, Coffeeditto, JonathanCrazyJ, Espithel
Linkcat (1) - Linkcat
mathman101 (1) - ddevans96


Can't be bothered to explain when it's going to require 10 more presses of the post buttons
Invisitext is cancer, using it automatically makes you filth

REALLY telling vote here, perhaps.

Espithel putting Sub above the recently tied Solaris and mentioning he didn't want to explain... explaining has nothing to do with how many clicks of "Submit" you have to do, either.

Also, almost clearing of Sub not being a Criminal.

[iancudorinmarian]

Ok, agreed. Then Sub is just town.

[worldwideweb3]

me and ian are busy playing now.

* worldwideweb3 puts a do not disturb up

[Coffeeditto]

Could I bring up the idea that Espithel just wanted someone lynched, anyone to avoid a tie/no-lynch?

[killsdazombies]

Ok, agreed. Then Sub is just town.

Town or int

[godisnowonline]

@rob Kuro reponded in thread after i asked him. I didn't post because he told me to wait and then he posted it so i figured that it wouldn't matter if i posted.

I was honestly just impressed with the night 1 scum kill and that town is up by one because of it. Right now, I know utalan is the only one we can trust due to the lack of a counterclaim. I've been asleep but to respond to my devils advocate opinion that sol might be innocent, well he might. I don't know. I'm not in any hurry to vote on him if hes not and he's playing like a very salty townie like i have in the past. (I forget which mafia but i blew my role as nurse by claiming it to prevent a day 2 lynch? I don't have the link but im sure i could find it if pressed.) the other thing is that in recent memory i was certain rob was mafia and poisoned him and cost town the game because i put on a tinfoil hat and thought he was mafia in the zailor mafia.

I've just read the 11 pages i missed while sleeping.

[rob77dp]

ian - with 2.5 hours left in Day 0 Espithel voted Sub when it was 4-4 with Sub and Sol tied in the vote lead.

I'm going to look up when he then REMOVED his Sub vote and make sure it doesn't smack of scum-getting-off-their-bro.

Spoiler for cutting down height of this thing:

Ok, so correct me if I'm wrong, but these are the votes at the end of the day:

dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
Solaris (2) - Solaris, JonathanCrazyJ
Linkcat (1) - rob77dp
No Lynch (4) - Linkcat, worldwideweb3, Lunaris, Submachine
Coffeeditto (1) - UTAlanp

Even if Espithel did vote on Sub at some point, that doesn't really prove anything. I'd like if someone could scavenge the moment he did though, might change my mind.

espithel voted sub at 4-4 between sol and sub

-->

dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
Solaris (4) - Solaris, Submachine, rob77dp, worldwideweb3
ddevans96 (1) - fabian771
Submachine (5) - DoubleCapitals, Killsdazombies, Coffeeditto, JonathanCrazyJ, Espithel
Linkcat (1) - Linkcat
mathman101 (1) - ddevans96


Can't be bothered to explain when it's going to require 10 more presses of the post buttons
Invisitext is cancer, using it automatically makes you filth

REALLY telling vote here, perhaps.

Espithel putting Sub above the recently tied Solaris and mentioning he didn't want to explain... explaining has nothing to do with how many clicks of "Submit" you have to do, either.

Also, almost clearing of Sub not being a Criminal.

OK, so I skimmed through from the time of Espi's Sub-vote to end-of-Day-0... that skim-through lessens the scum-read I have on Sol from it but the timing of that vote (Espi voting on Sub) is just so STRONGLY inline with how a Criminal is likely to play it to save a teammate that it feels scummy still.

Put another way, still think Sol is scum but the rest of End-of-Day-0 has nothing FURTHERING scum-read as it relates to Espithel voting on Sub.

[rob77dp]

Out now for some hours... but here is latest vote count just in case some of you out there posting about scum-reads (like www3 about Sol/me) but not voting the players you think are scummy decide you have the gusto to cast a vote.

worldwideweb (2) - rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Solaris (4) - UTAlan, killsdazombies ddevans96, JonathanCrazyJ
rob77dp (1) - Solaris

[Submachine]

Not having the option to send whispers is really limiting.

Anyway, had first night, so there is a chance that one of our more silent people are afflicted with Jailor Ability #2. If that's the case, just post your name and nothing else to signal it.

Jailor/"????":
Ability 2 (EoR): Target player is notified that they may only post messages in the topic using the numbers and letters in their own name for the next round. Failure to do so will cause them to die by the end of the round.