Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou

[JonathanCrazyJ]

Rob what makes you so certain that espithel wasn't throwing shade in the event of his death? I ask simply because we've gone full tinfoil hat this mafia. So far the only one i am certain is town is UTA for the refugee kill. He cannot be mafia because they couldn't target him if he was.

This is triggering me for some reason. This should be highlighted in the event Sol if mafia. If Sol is mafia, this is very "i'm just playing devil's advocate, but maaaaybe sol is innocent..."

worldwideweb (2) - rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Solaris (4) - UTAlan, killsdazombies ddevans96, JonathanCrazyJ
rob77dp (1) - Solaris

Sorry sol, you know you're my bae, but your defense of "try a little harder" when it's early game and all the scant evidence we have points against you feels very desperate, as does role claiming so early in the day when only 3 votes are on you.

[Espithel]

Now I'm EXTRA salty given how that could've been easily prevented.

[Espithel]

Welp, have fun peoples, nice one whoever that was. e.e

[Solaris]

I'M INNOCENT

[killsdazombies]

Sub, uta directly claimed responsibility for the death, before and after the kill

[UTAlan]

As probably the most Townie player right now, you are the best representative of Town (as a faction) right now. What is your stance on Intel members?

I've mentioned this a few times already, but:

Should we lynch Intel players?
No. They are town as far as parity with criminals is concerned.

Should we trust who they push for lynching/killing?
No. They don't care if mafia or town dies (unless near end-game and they want the game extended). They just want unsearched players killed.

[UTAlan]

They just want unsearched non-Intel players killed.

FTFM

[rob77dp]

Rob what makes you so certain that espithel wasn't throwing shade in the event of his death? I ask simply because we've gone full tinfoil hat this mafia. So far the only one i am certain is town is UTA for the refugee kill. He cannot be mafia because they couldn't target him if he was.

This is triggering me for some reason. This should be highlighted in the event Sol if mafia. If Sol is mafia, this is very "i'm just playing devil's advocate, but maaaaybe sol is innocent..."

worldwideweb (2) - rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Solaris (4) - UTAlan, killsdazombies ddevans96, JonathanCrazyJ
rob77dp (1) - Solaris

Sorry sol, you know you're my bae, but your defense of "try a little harder" when it's early game and all the scant evidence we have points against you feels very desperate, as does role claiming so early in the day when only 3 votes are on you.

This is a very good point. Given it is gino -- I recall just last game where gino had some afk-ness buy his pop-ins gave a vibe of "this angle doesn't make much sense for a town POV", and then he ended being town. >.< That is, I agree with JCJ's point here but give it less credence from my perspective.

(Fine for JCJ to scum-read on it but I'm tempering with meta-read aspects.)

[rob77dp]

Here's something: JCJ and Sol are very unlikely to both be Criminals.

I don't think JCJ would drop a vote on Sol like this at that juncture given the likelihood Sol could have very well been lynched with JCJ then peace-ing out through EOD.

Cool. job done.

if only as a way of discouraging you for EVER using invis text again, because it's not something I would ever look for, and is just a dick move using forum code to your advantage, my vote is changing.

I hope that this last 5 mins has removed this problem from arising again.
For now, I think it's probably a (dis)honest mistake, and is in keeping with sub's character, so doesn't read scum, or civ to me. I found bringing it up necessary to make a point.

But no-lynch is still ALWAYS BAD so i guess by my own morals I have to switch back to sol.

dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
Solaris (5) - Solaris, Submachine, rob77dp, worldwideweb3, JonathanCrazyJ
Submachine (3) - DoubleCapitals, Killsdazombies, Coffeeditto
JonathanCrazyJ (1) - UTAlan
No Lynch (1) - Linkcat

(Of course, I'm trying to state any sort of 'locking' in either way... just that JCJ+Sol:
Criminal/Criminal -- VERY unlikely
Town/Town -- seems unlikely to me, but that is based on my current scum-read of Sol
Criminal/Town -- see previous comment
Town/Criminal -- most likely among the four options
* Town = not-Criminal, above, and is not attempting to distinguish between Intel and Twon)

[UTAlan]

@rob - Do you agree with my take on Intel? Do you see anything I'm missing?

[iancudorinmarian]

I still think Intel should also be considered enemies. Not as bad as the Criminals, but not really on our side either. If they win, town loses. (unless we get all the criminals before they get all their info)

[rob77dp]

@rob - Do you agree with my take on Intel? Do you see anything I'm missing?

As probably the most Townie player right now, you are the best representative of Town (as a faction) right now. What is your stance on Intel members?

I've mentioned this a few times already, but:

Should we lynch Intel players?
No. They are town as far as parity with criminals is concerned.

Should we trust who they push for lynching/killing?
No. They don't care if mafia or town dies (unless near end-game and they want the game extended). They just want unsearched players killed.

I would add some things such as:
* Available evidence a possible Intel member acted against town (not to mean they have to try to help town win, but I would be game to lynch an Intel member such as this)
* Counting as "town" for parity is a HUGE item, too. Earlier this game I was a bit outspoken about not caring if Intel were lynched seeing them simply as not-town but them counting as parity to town's side out-weighs that.