Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou

[killsdazombies]

worldwideweb (1) - rob77dp
Solaris (1) - UTAlan

inb4 a mafia player tries to scum-read both of us soon.  hearty chuckle

Hmmm it seems like Rob and UTA are working together a little too well, that titan pad must come in handy eh boys?

/end sarcasm

Well, lets get some facts stated right now

1: The Mafia CANNOT purposefully night kill each other,  thus they cannot be behind the esp death
2: UTA is claiming credit for the kill
3: No one has counterclaimed yet (to be changed of course if someone does)

This means that UTA is a confirmed NOT mafia, assuming he is unchallenged.

Im not sure which, out of solaris or www3 should be on the chopping block first. I feel bad about murdering www3 so quickly last game, so I'd rather not seem him go quite as quickly, if not entirely out of guilt I would feel.

Thus,
worldwideweb (1) - rob77dp
Solaris (2) - UTAlan, killsdazombies

For future note, I believe both of these trains to be reasonable, and with some merit. If you disagree, I'd gladly hear it out.

[killsdazombies]

Rob what makes you so certain that espithel wasn't throwing shade in the event of his death? I ask simply because we've gone full tinfoil hat this mafia. So far the only one i am certain is town is UTA for the refugee kill. He cannot be mafia because they couldn't target him if he was.

He could also be INT, we only know for sure that he is not mafia. (and this is of course assuming no one counterclaims for the kill)

[ddevans96]

dd - I'm thinking you can figure it out by reading UTA's end-of-night and start-of-day -- I mean, I think I figured it out that way and you're at least as skilled at this as I am. 

Look at my last post from N1.

I think I understand (PPE: UT confirmed I did later in-thread), but I'm not positive. Maybe I wasn't clear but this head cold has me struggling to think at the moment, let alone critically.

Also, almost clearing of Sub not being a Criminal.

Given I'm seeing a little bump in scum-read on Sol from that it is not an equal town-read bump to www3 but it is a town point for him being on Sol there. Especially if Sol every flips and is Criminal.

I generally agree with all of this. But the nature of mafia means nothing is confirmed - this could very well be multiple instances of skilled scum play (albeit backfiring with Espi's death).

worldwideweb (1) - rob77dp
Solaris (3) - UTAlan, killsdazombies ddevans96

We get a lot of information from both of these lynches so I don't see a wrong direction here. I maintain my stance that of the major players in the N1 squabble (which includes www3), one of them is scum - to elaborate, those kind of arguments, in my experience, just don't happen on that scale on FD without scum influence, and it's certainly extremely rare. But I did say I wouldn't focus on that immediately (of course, that comes with the caveat that if nothing better or equal came up I probably would - but it has), so I'll place my vote on Sol.

I would like to hear Sol defend himself, personally.

[Lunaris]

I'm super confused as to how Espithel even died in the first place unless another member of the criminal team killed him intentionally

Anyways, here are my current reads, whatever they may be worth.

rob77dp - Giving off slight scum vibes imo, due to his immediate attempts to take charge of the game.
Linkcat - Unsure how to read Linkcat really, as I've skimmed through the majority of the posts this mafia. However, his support of No Lynch on the first day leads me to feel a very slight town alignment here. 
UTAlan - Strong town vibes. His claim of bodyguard is incredibly believable.
DoubleCapitals - Very slight scum vibes here due to the immediate reaction to lynch Sub just because of some invisitext, but I also know DC well enough on a personal level to know that this most likely is just due to not liking invisitext in general.
Coffeeditto - Not really enough posts that I've seen from him to make a read at this point. Neutral.
Solaris - Scum lean here. The idea of voting for himself was incredibly confusing, as I don't see any secondary abilities that could benefit from it.
Submachine - Town vibes due to Espithel dying.

This is all I have for now.. will post more later on.

[UTAlan]

I am officially claiming town, not Int, but in regards to lynching it shouldn't matter. Assuming no counter claims, I'm confirmed non-criminal, so no lynching yours truly.

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[killsdazombies]

I am officially claiming town, not Int, but in regards to lynching it shouldn't matter. Assuming no counter claims, I'm confirmed non-criminal, so no lynching yours truly.

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while the official claimed is appreciated its mostly meaningless, given that everyone claims town. Still, even if you were int, you are more valuable alive than dead right now, as the mafia will likely try to murder you a bit more now. Dont worry though, with a focused will, and some serendipity you should survive mostly indefinitely.

[Solaris]

3 votes before I can even respond, neat

Civilian/Politican/"Sombra"/"Hacking In Spanish/"BCC", which is used, gl hf

[Coffeeditto]

Rob, let's not get ahead of ourselves; have we locked in your position as town already?

Bazinga!!! Refugee for the win it might seem?

A veritable wrestling match occurred apparently.


worldwideweb (1) - rob77dp

Scumread not lessening... voting my top suspect at the moment.

Rob, connect the dots?

[rob77dp]

3 votes before I can even respond, neat

Civilian/Politican/"Sombra"/"Hacking In Spanish/"BCC", which is used, gl hf

What are you doing?!??

[Solaris]

3 votes before I can even respond, neat

Civilian/Politican/"Sombra"/"Hacking In Spanish/"BCC", which is used, gl hf

What are you doing?!??

[rob77dp]

Rob, let's not get ahead of ourselves; have we locked in your position as town already?

Bazinga!!! Refugee for the win it might seem?

A veritable wrestling match occurred apparently.


worldwideweb (1) - rob77dp

Scumread not lessening... voting my top suspect at the moment.

Rob, connect the dots?

Yup. Already had -- hence I moved on to other avenues of solving and stopped asking things.

[rob77dp]

3 votes before I can even respond, neat

Civilian/Politican/"Sombra"/"Hacking In Spanish/"BCC", which is used, gl hf

What are you doing?!??

Whatever it is it doesn't look like a town move... a Criminal just died in the night, and NO Town are dead yet - why are you way-too-early claiming and then starting what might become lolcatting??