Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou

[Espithel]

No, Solaris is always this depressing, Rob.

It's not pro-town, but it's town-Sol.

[worldwideweb3]

Btw, Ian and UT, I await your answers.

I did used to be a proponent of No Lynch, back when I first started playing. I didn't understand why we would risk killing town when we had so little info. I've since been learned better. My argument is now essentially that a townie getting lynched D1 (or D0) still provides valuable info. I know others disagree and we don't have to keep arguing this, but since you insist on a response to this, here it is.

Also, I didn't intend to be aggressive toward No Lynchers. I was making a case against it because I think it's not beneficial for town (or worse, detrimental). I apologize if I offended anyone or was overly aggressive toward anyone. I may take your stance on No Lynch as a factor when reading you, and you can disagree with me doing that, but that's just where we stand, I guess.

I was hoping you would understand our viewpoint, as you have been in same footsteps at the time.


this is what i meant btw, on no lynch. http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-68-by-kuroaitou/msg1258754/#msg1258754

Reasoning for DC being given town lean is because his play seems towny.

I was waiting on J's response to give him a read. So, as i understand J, you didnt acc suspect sol to be mafia, you just voted on him for the sake of lynching anyone?

@rob, UT,
I used to just stay quite and follow the leader few mafias before and that was no fun, so i just decided to be more active and have fun. Hence, the recent rise in posts in recent mafias. Don't mind if you lynch me for just being active, and changing playstyle....

[rob77dp]

Btw, Ian and UT, I await your answers.

I did used to be a proponent of No Lynch, back when I first started playing. I didn't understand why we would risk killing town when we had so little info. I've since been learned better. My argument is now essentially that a townie getting lynched D1 (or D0) still provides valuable info. I know others disagree and we don't have to keep arguing this, but since you insist on a response to this, here it is.

Also, I didn't intend to be aggressive toward No Lynchers. I was making a case against it because I think it's not beneficial for town (or worse, detrimental). I apologize if I offended anyone or was overly aggressive toward anyone. I may take your stance on No Lynch as a factor when reading you, and you can disagree with me doing that, but that's just where we stand, I guess.

I was hoping you would understand our viewpoint, as you have been in same footsteps at the time.


this is what i meant btw, on no lynch. http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-68-by-kuroaitou/msg1258754/#msg1258754

Reasoning for DC being given town lean is because his play seems towny.

I was waiting on J's response to give him a read. So, as i understand J, you didnt acc suspect sol to be mafia, you just voted on him for the sake of lynching anyone?

@rob, UT,
I used to just stay quite and follow the leader few mafias before and that was no fun, so i just decided to be more active and have fun. Hence, the recent rise in posts in recent mafias. Don't mind if you lynch me for just being active, and changing playstyle....

Don't put wrong views or opinions as being from me when they are not.

[worldwideweb3]

Btw, Ian and UT, I await your answers.

I did used to be a proponent of No Lynch, back when I first started playing. I didn't understand why we would risk killing town when we had so little info. I've since been learned better. My argument is now essentially that a townie getting lynched D1 (or D0) still provides valuable info. I know others disagree and we don't have to keep arguing this, but since you insist on a response to this, here it is.

Also, I didn't intend to be aggressive toward No Lynchers. I was making a case against it because I think it's not beneficial for town (or worse, detrimental). I apologize if I offended anyone or was overly aggressive toward anyone. I may take your stance on No Lynch as a factor when reading you, and you can disagree with me doing that, but that's just where we stand, I guess.

I was hoping you would understand our viewpoint, as you have been in same footsteps at the time.


this is what i meant btw, on no lynch. http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-68-by-kuroaitou/msg1258754/#msg1258754

Reasoning for DC being given town lean is because his play seems towny.

I was waiting on J's response to give him a read. So, as i understand J, you didnt acc suspect sol to be mafia, you just voted on him for the sake of lynching anyone?

@rob, UT,
I used to just stay quite and follow the leader few mafias before and that was no fun, so i just decided to be more active and have fun. Hence, the recent rise in posts in recent mafias. Don't mind if you lynch me for just being active, and changing playstyle....

Don't put wrong views or opinions as being from me when they are not.

I saw you mention somewhere where you compared my playstyle to that when i was mafia, and of last game. I'm just saying that this will be my usual playstyle.

[rob77dp]

Btw, Ian and UT, I await your answers.

I did used to be a proponent of No Lynch, back when I first started playing. I didn't understand why we would risk killing town when we had so little info. I've since been learned better. My argument is now essentially that a townie getting lynched D1 (or D0) still provides valuable info. I know others disagree and we don't have to keep arguing this, but since you insist on a response to this, here it is.

Also, I didn't intend to be aggressive toward No Lynchers. I was making a case against it because I think it's not beneficial for town (or worse, detrimental). I apologize if I offended anyone or was overly aggressive toward anyone. I may take your stance on No Lynch as a factor when reading you, and you can disagree with me doing that, but that's just where we stand, I guess.

I was hoping you would understand our viewpoint, as you have been in same footsteps at the time.


this is what i meant btw, on no lynch. http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-68-by-kuroaitou/msg1258754/#msg1258754

Reasoning for DC being given town lean is because his play seems towny.

I was waiting on J's response to give him a read. So, as i understand J, you didnt acc suspect sol to be mafia, you just voted on him for the sake of lynching anyone?

@rob, UT,
I used to just stay quite and follow the leader few mafias before and that was no fun, so i just decided to be more active and have fun. Hence, the recent rise in posts in recent mafias. Don't mind if you lynch me for just being active, and changing playstyle....

Don't put wrong views or opinions as being from me when they are not.

I saw you mention somewhere where you compared my playstyle to that when i was mafia, and of last game. I'm just saying that this will be my usual playstyle.

You're posting a lot but post count is not something I feel comfortable reading you on. Also, players' playstyles do tend to evolve some over time -- some on purpose and some of it naturally -- but usually not alone something to scum- or town-read from.

Regarding my read on you, I find you to have LOTS of posts but still basically no reads. You have a wallpost of commentary about players' play so far but anybody as any alignment can simply read the thread and type up what they see going on. READS are you applying opinion and suspicion or comfort with possible alignment of players based on what you're seeing, not seeing, etc.

Also, the digging up of dirt from games up to 20+ games ago just looks like busy work to me. I don't find you being solvey yet you have TONS of posts and time in the thread. You have nary a list of scum-reads or town-read... just, again, a wallpost of commentary.

These are things I find scummy especially given what I think you're capable of as town.

if you lynch me for just being active, and changing playstyle.... nope, definitely is NOT that. Also, your statement (strikethrough here) is a bit presumptive - like you know NK is not something you fear. ??

[worldwideweb3]

1. I just used link's links that he posted to prove he did no lynch before. I saw that some of the current players also no lynche'ed there. I did no research.
2. Mafia's job is to nk people, so that's not something in my control. But what i can do is ask fellow town to not lynch due to just a playstyle change. Why would i even mention nk there in my comment? it's so out of place...Seems more like you trying to force that in...

[Espithel]

Sorry. www3.
Saturday it is.
And no, my social health is more important than this game.

[rob77dp]

1. I just used link's links that he posted to prove he did no lynch before. I saw that some of the current players also no lynche'ed there. I did no research.
2. Mafia's job is to nk people, so that's not something in my control. But what i can do is ask fellow town to not lynch due to just a playstyle change. Why would i even mention nk there in my comment? it's so out of place...Seems more like you trying to force that in...

OK, good. So you're town-reading me then.

a. You addressed a statement to me not to lynch you due to playstyle.
b. You say that was toward town to ask them not to lynch you.
c. You're either town-reading me or you *cough* _know_ I'm town!!

[killsdazombies]

WWW3: "JCJ - Why did you vote sola after removing your vote from sub? I didnt see a reason for it"

I thought that was obvious, because i didn't want no-lynch, so when you tied up Sub I went to the other train


kdz: "JcJ, I know you don't support the no lynch, but what would you rather have done? I get you had a spitevote on sub but thats hardly a legitimate reason if youre playing to win as town."

We fundamentally disagree on no-lynching. I believe that any lynch, for any reason, is better than no-lynch day 1. It wasn't a spite vote, not exactly, at that point in the game with no information, i regarded invisitext and self voting (sol) as the sketchiest things I had seen until that point, and at the very least was voting on them in order for them to explain themselves (or in sol's case try to force him to make an actual decision on who to place a vote on.) Lynching someone, anyone, gives information. In later days when we know more, we can at least use the knowledge of who voted for who, when, on that first day. with a no lynch we gain nothing. So to answer your question, i would have rather Sol or Sub, of ANYONE to be lynched.


I'm seeing a friend in the city friday-sunday night, will do my best to log on occasionally but will be via mobile

Hm okay, I think I see your point you're making, you're saying any lynch on day 0 is a good lynch, because it gives us info, correct?

Also I'm not disagreeing with you, im not sure where I really stand on the issue. I fully intended to vote last night, but eod surprised me. I'm not really sure on who thiugh, so my vote likely would have been a throwaway vote on someone, and be basically the same as no lynch

[Solaris]

No, Solaris is always this depressing, Rob.

It's not pro-town, but it's town-Sol.

valid

[rob77dp]

No, Solaris is always this depressing, Rob.

It's not pro-town, but it's town-Sol.

valid

Would you link me to a town-game of yours, Sol? The most recent one or two that you played.

[Coffeeditto]

[quote author=Coffeeditto link=topic=64236.msg1259167#msg1259167 date=1489033769
The biggest downside I can find is that there are 3 intelligence in the game; they can't afford to risk being killed because they don't win with mafia OR town, and at least one of them needs to be alive. 3 is a small number.

Intelligence wins or loses regardless of if town wins or loses.
[/quote]

Bit late, but what?